What must I do to be saved
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Exactly. Jesus used these terms metaphorically to describe both Peter and Judas as people who were opposing God in their words or actions.
Unfortunately your opinion does not align with scripture.
Here are the biblical facts.
Judas followed Jesus because he was a believer, and demonstrated he was a believer by following Jesus, as a disciple for over three years, and was promoted to be an Apostle with the other 11.
Judas was empowered as an Apostle to preach the Gospel to the lost, and cast out devils, heal the sick, and raise the dead, along with the other Apostles.
And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Matthew 10:1-8
Judas was appointed and destined to sit on one of the twelve thrones along with the other Apostles.
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28
This was spoken to the twelve, including Judas.
These scriptures teach us Judas was a disciple, then became an Apostle, who was destined to reign with Jesus and the other Apostles in the age to come.
Judas became a traitor.
Judas was a disciple, then an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, who BECAME a traitor.
He was the one thing, the being tempted by the devil, he became a traitor.
- Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor.
13 And when it was day, He called His disciples to Himself; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles: 14 Simon, whom He also named Peter, and Andrew his brother; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; 15 Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot; 16 Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor. Luke 6:13-16
Saul of Tarsus was an insolent man who persecuted the Church, an enemy of God, then BECAME an Apostle.
He was the one thing then BECAME the other.
All you have is your misguided opinion, with no scripture and are attempting to promote a false doctrine that says a person can live in sin, and never become lost.
God saw from the beginning that Judas would BECOME a traitor, and caused it to work together for the good of His children.
JPT
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care to elaborate?
Your new heart will hate the world but your flesh will desire it.
I stated that was happening to me now
I see the way the world is going. I dont want no pert of it any more.
I have found that my fles desires things. Alot like a methhed trying to clean up his act. It seems the harder i try. The further down the rabbit whole i go.
I am around people all the time. They like me. I get along with everybody. But there comes a point i have to cut them off i dont like being around them.
Someone else quoted that dont make any sense.
And there right it dont make sense.
Except the part where im still struggleing in the flesh.
Thats more addiction than my flesh desiring. Old habbits die hard.
Will talk more later.
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God does not force us to believe or remain in unbelief. 2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost. 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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i agree that God does not force us
but i dont believe belief in itself is a choice
its more an indwelling response to information
like
i cannot choose to believe fire is cold given what i now know
i believe it is hot
and i could not choose to believe otherwise
but being faithful is a choice
having faith is an indwelling response to hearing the truth
God provides the way out (the call, the truth, the gift of salvation)
knowing who will and who wont find this path
i dont believe judas was forced to be in"unbelief" i believe God chose him knowing the end before judas was even born to fulfill scripture
but i do not believe judas didnt have the same opportunity as anyone else
its just God isnt surprised by our choices
and knew everything... always
but i dont believe belief in itself is a choice
its more an indwelling response to information
like
i cannot choose to believe fire is cold given what i now know
i believe it is hot
and i could not choose to believe otherwise
but being faithful is a choice
having faith is an indwelling response to hearing the truth
God provides the way out (the call, the truth, the gift of salvation)
knowing who will and who wont find this path
i dont believe judas was forced to be in"unbelief" i believe God chose him knowing the end before judas was even born to fulfill scripture
but i do not believe judas didnt have the same opportunity as anyone else
its just God isnt surprised by our choices
and knew everything... always
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Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17). If it was not for the Father drawing us (John 6:44) and enabling us (John 6:65) nobody would come to Christ and believe in Him all by themselves and be saved (John 3:18). Judas had the same opportunity as the remaining 11 disciples to believe in Christ and be saved, but instead chose to reject Christ and remained in unbelief.
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God does not hide His gospel. Gods gospel is a Light set upon a hill for all to behold. You as a witness for Christ are part of that Light for all to see Christ in you.
So the question becomes one of are they blinded before they rejected the gospel or as a result of rejecting the gospel. The Jews were blinded after they chose Barabbas over Jesus in Pilots judgment hall.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
So the question becomes one of are they blinded before they rejected the gospel or as a result of rejecting the gospel. The Jews were blinded after they chose Barabbas over Jesus in Pilots judgment hall.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Answer is yes.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Answer is yes.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
In your post #1,029, you stated "God predestined every single person to either believe or reject the Gospel".
To me, your statement implies that God "predestined" those who reject to reject the Gospel. They have no choice but to reject because God "predestined" them to reject.
In your post #1,033, you stated "God doesn't make them sin, they sin because they rebel against God."
I then asked "So those who reject the gospel do so by their own choice? And not because God "predestined" them to reject the gospel?
You then replied in your post #1,052 "No God didn't predestine them to reject the Gospel" which directly contradicts what you stated in your post #1,029 when you said "God predestined every single person to either believe or reject the Gospel"
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
To me, your statement implies that God "predestined" those who reject to reject the Gospel. They have no choice but to reject because God "predestined" them to reject.
In your post #1,033, you stated "God doesn't make them sin, they sin because they rebel against God."
I then asked "So those who reject the gospel do so by their own choice? And not because God "predestined" them to reject the gospel?
You then replied in your post #1,052 "No God didn't predestine them to reject the Gospel" which directly contradicts what you stated in your post #1,029 when you said "God predestined every single person to either believe or reject the Gospel"
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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I am not able to choose to believe that mailmandan is not mailmandan
ok, we can choose to verbally lie, that's different,
now this is going into the debate between free will or predestination
here's a thought experiment
say you are sustained for all eternity
and you are staring at 2 doors
door A, or door B
no cause and effect influence your decision, even your preference for either right or left is evened out
if you choose one door over the other, why one door, and not the other?
remember, this is beyond naturalistic explanation here.
ok, we can choose to verbally lie, that's different,
now this is going into the debate between free will or predestination
here's a thought experiment
say you are sustained for all eternity
and you are staring at 2 doors
door A, or door B
no cause and effect influence your decision, even your preference for either right or left is evened out
if you choose one door over the other, why one door, and not the other?
remember, this is beyond naturalistic explanation here.