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Two kinds...
The first, a public tongue with interpretation, aka prophecy. No interpreter, keep quiet.
The second, an in-private tongue between you and God.
I've color coded the differences here:
https://christianchat.com/blogs/prophecy-and-tongues-differentiated-part-1.174929/
https://christianchat.com/blogs/prophecy-and-tongues-differentiated-part-2.174930/
(And let me know if you need an interpreter to read it. My computer and this website are at odds about font sizing).
I assume the private tongue is the one you spoke about, saying it was a different language every time and that you had no understanding. Most, not all but most I've known have a regular 'language', it could be you are new and haven't 'learned' yours yet? But together with not having understanding, it raises a yellow flag for me.
Paul said he didn't understand at first, then asked for understanding and received it. I followed the same pattern and got the same results. What I found is to pray like Paul ultimately did ... pray what you can for something in english (or whatever your native language is), which you understand; Then if you are praying sincerely your heart and mind will continue on with that 'subject' while your lips then speak to things you don't know about ... but God does. I pray for danja in english, then I pray for danja in a tongue. And together I understand that the Holy Spirit and I have prayed for danja over both the known, and the mysteries, that surround you
Test the spirits. It is only by the Holy Spirit that one can say "Jesus is Lord". At times when I feel like something might be interfering with my prayers, I start repeating "Jesus is Lord" "Jesus is Lord" "Jesus is Lord"... If you're ever unsure about where a language is coming from, start saying that. It'll help ensure that your lips are the Lord's, and not affected by some outside influence.
God Bless you
The first, a public tongue with interpretation, aka prophecy. No interpreter, keep quiet.
The second, an in-private tongue between you and God.
I've color coded the differences here:
https://christianchat.com/blogs/prophecy-and-tongues-differentiated-part-1.174929/
https://christianchat.com/blogs/prophecy-and-tongues-differentiated-part-2.174930/
(And let me know if you need an interpreter to read it. My computer and this website are at odds about font sizing).
I assume the private tongue is the one you spoke about, saying it was a different language every time and that you had no understanding. Most, not all but most I've known have a regular 'language', it could be you are new and haven't 'learned' yours yet? But together with not having understanding, it raises a yellow flag for me.
Paul said he didn't understand at first, then asked for understanding and received it. I followed the same pattern and got the same results. What I found is to pray like Paul ultimately did ... pray what you can for something in english (or whatever your native language is), which you understand; Then if you are praying sincerely your heart and mind will continue on with that 'subject' while your lips then speak to things you don't know about ... but God does. I pray for danja in english, then I pray for danja in a tongue. And together I understand that the Holy Spirit and I have prayed for danja over both the known, and the mysteries, that surround you
Test the spirits. It is only by the Holy Spirit that one can say "Jesus is Lord". At times when I feel like something might be interfering with my prayers, I start repeating "Jesus is Lord" "Jesus is Lord" "Jesus is Lord"... If you're ever unsure about where a language is coming from, start saying that. It'll help ensure that your lips are the Lord's, and not affected by some outside influence.
God Bless you
I would suggest first things (the things of God) first.
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2 Peter1:19-21
Also we should remember the warning in 1 John 2:26-27 as to the spirit of the antichrist who were there .as those who n make scripture without effect by forbidding the work of the promised anoiunting Holy Spirit not seen as our teacher as a he teaches us we abide in him not seen .Not men seen like the Pope .
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him1 John 2:26-27
Tongues, as the prophecy of the Holy Spirit, (God's living abiding word) speaking through men, woman Jew and Gentile alike signaled by Pentecost is the fulfillment of Prophecy found in Isiah 28.
Stammering lips are the mocking lips of God who mocks those who refused to hear prophect as a sign against them .They are shown as not entering God's Sabbath (rest). God, not seen, mocking those who mocked him be rather following after the oral tradition of men as that seen making prophecy (the word of God) without effect
For with stammering(mocking) lips and another tongue (other than Hebrew)will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Isaiah 28:11-15
The fulfilment of prophecy
in the law (Isaiah 28:11-15) it hath been written, that, `With other tongues and with other lips I will speak to this people, and not even so will they hear Me, saith the Lord;' so that the tongues are for a sign, not to the believing, but to the unbelieving; and the prophesy is not for the unbelieving, but for the believing,1 Corinthians14: 21-22
Not sure what you are trying to say with all that verbosity. But I think I get the jist. Lemme counter with this:
I had an acquaintance years ago who we'll call 'Bob', friend of a friend kind of thing. I didn't know much about him but I knew he was mad at God. He and his girlfriend had been considering becoming Christians, but before they could decide she died. Bob was angry that, if there was a God, He would take her before she had made a decision.
So one night I'm alone praying and my prayers come to Bob. So I pray in English, Lord, I lift up Bob, and his anger and yadayadayada everything I know to pray about Bob, in English.
But then, my mind and heart stay on Bob, but I start praying in my tongue. And while I'm doing that I get this vision of these legions of angels rushing into a cave or tunnel ... One after another after another after another ... flying into this cave.
The next time I talked to Bob, I told him about this vision. He got silent, then said his girlfriend had died in a car wreck under a freeway bridge. I said maybe he shouldn't be so sure she hadn't decided.
And while I only talked to him once after that, I'm pretty sure he took that message to heart.
Pray in your understanding.
Pray in the Spirit, and receive understanding.
Intercede directly with something you have no earthly knowledge of
Be edified by the humble use of yourself to edify another.
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So, if I read your long rambling missive correctly, you think I am deceived.
Yes you are probably right. Because we all know that deceiving spirits love to intercede on the behalf of lost people and bring them closer to God!
I had an acquaintance years ago who we'll call 'Bob', friend of a friend kind of thing. I didn't know much about him but I knew he was mad at God. He and his girlfriend had been considering becoming Christians, but before they could decide she died. Bob was angry that, if there was a God, He would take her before she had made a decision.
So one night I'm alone praying and my prayers come to Bob. So I pray in English, Lord, I lift up Bob, and his anger and yadayadayada everything I know to pray about Bob, in English.
But then, my mind and heart stay on Bob, but I start praying in my tongue. And while I'm doing that I get this vision of these legions of angels rushing into a cave or tunnel ... One after another after another after another ... flying into this cave.
The next time I talked to Bob, I told him about this vision. He got silent, then said his girlfriend had died in a car wreck under a freeway bridge. I said maybe he shouldn't be so sure she hadn't decided.
And while I only talked to him once after that, I'm pretty sure he took that message to heart.
Pray in your understanding.
Pray in the Spirit, and receive understanding.
Intercede directly with something you have no earthly knowledge of
Be edified by the humble use of yourself to edify another.
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So, if I read your long rambling missive correctly, you think I am deceived.
Yes you are probably right. Because we all know that deceiving spirits love to intercede on the behalf of lost people and bring them closer to God!
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If you separate speaking in tongues into two categories, it is much easier to understand.
1 - public speaking in tongues (AKA the gift of tongues) -
this is a gift from God that is not given to every believer, nor is it given every time, but instead it is given by the Holy Spirit only at certain times and with certain people. Paul encouraged it, yet said that to prophesy is more desirable and also cautioned that the believer who is in a public worship setting should pray for the understanding of the message, and if they do not have the understanding of it, then they can give in tongues IF there is present one who has the gift of interpretation. If not, he says to be silent so as to not create confusion. So yes, this is a great gift, but prophesy is even better.
2 - private speaking in tongues (AKA Praying in the Spirit)-
this is an ability that is available to every believer if they want it. This is a tool to improve the prayer communication between you and God. This is not about other people, this is about you and God. Often when you "pray in the spirit" AKA speak in tongues privately to God you will pray with words until your words run out, then you will switch to praying in the spirit, then you will gain insight and switch back to words again, and back and forth like that. This is highly encouraged by Paul and is not in competition with any of the gifts, because it is available to everybody who desires it. This tool is primarily designed to be used in private or intimate settings.
1 - public speaking in tongues (AKA the gift of tongues) -
this is a gift from God that is not given to every believer, nor is it given every time, but instead it is given by the Holy Spirit only at certain times and with certain people. Paul encouraged it, yet said that to prophesy is more desirable and also cautioned that the believer who is in a public worship setting should pray for the understanding of the message, and if they do not have the understanding of it, then they can give in tongues IF there is present one who has the gift of interpretation. If not, he says to be silent so as to not create confusion. So yes, this is a great gift, but prophesy is even better.
2 - private speaking in tongues (AKA Praying in the Spirit)-
this is an ability that is available to every believer if they want it. This is a tool to improve the prayer communication between you and God. This is not about other people, this is about you and God. Often when you "pray in the spirit" AKA speak in tongues privately to God you will pray with words until your words run out, then you will switch to praying in the spirit, then you will gain insight and switch back to words again, and back and forth like that. This is highly encouraged by Paul and is not in competition with any of the gifts, because it is available to everybody who desires it. This tool is primarily designed to be used in private or intimate settings.
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I didn't read his blogs. Now he did not post scripture in his cute little story based on fantasy and not scripture.
Color coding aside there are not public and private tongues. That is a construct of man that many are attempting to make scripture support. Tongues in the bible were never divided into public and private.
Tongues in Acts were a confirmatory sign. There are no angelic tongues and there is no praying in an unknown tongue as in a special secret prayer language. Scripture does not support that behavior. It is supported only by human desire and the will of man.
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Color coding aside there are not public and private tongues. That is a construct of man that many are attempting to make scripture support. Tongues in the bible were never divided into public and private.
Tongues in Acts were a confirmatory sign. There are no angelic tongues and there is no praying in an unknown tongue as in a special secret prayer language. Scripture does not support that behavior. It is supported only by human desire and the will of man.
Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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if you did not read his blog where he has the scriptures then you cannot say he did not use scripture just because you were unwilling to look at his blog. 1cor 14 was used for his scriptural text. You do not have to agree with his context however, it is false to say he did not post scriptures. I don't know of any cute little stories based on fantasy. I can see why you would think that because you did not read the full context of his thread . Your bias yet again exposes you.
Many try to Box the gifts of the Holy Spirit and think they can control how the operating of the Gifts are to be done.
They do not understand corporate prayer and private prayer. 1Cor starting from chapter one is correcting, what has been done at the church at Corinth. When Paul says “NOW concerning spiritual gifts I would not have you unlearned.1cor 12. This is not said because the gifts are going away as some falsely read into the Word of God. It’s said to correct the foolishness in using the “Gifts of the Holy Spirit”. Some here do not care for testimonies of the gifts of the Holy Spirit as proof for them , but I will say my pearls will not be cast to swine even if they disagree : ) . I Pray each day in the Spirit as Paul instructed in chapter 14 of 1cor. Moreover, I pray corporately with others in the spirit at a church setting. Never had anyone walk out, flip out or think it was out of order. The end result is God moves and saves and heals. To God be the glory. IF what was done as the scriptures say to do were not correct, and those who in faith do what 1cor 12-14 chapters say and God saves, heals , and deliver’s people, restores marriages, encourages people; all that NOT BE OF GOD and is somehow of the devil? Saying this is foolishness and very close to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
The devil does not heal, the devil does not save, encourage, restore. That is a God attribute and not of the devil. I have seen some here say “I have Proof those were healed of the devil”, really. I find it very troubling those who call themselves “Christians “ can find what they think is Proof to the work of the Devil and believe it is the devil, While attacking those who Believe, GOD is the one Healing, Saving, and operating in the Christian the “ Gifts of the Holy Spirit”.
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I already know he like you has a skewed view of the specific scriptures involved. You seek to make scripture align with your behavior not making your behavior match scripture. I would have assumed that he used an incorrect view of 1 Cor 14. He will not defend his position with me. So we cannot interact and discuss the scriptures. You can choose to live the way you see fit but that does not mean that God will have respect for what you are doing.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Red herring much? Who are these people?
More red herrings. Slaying straw men. Who are these people?
More flailing at imaginary people. It is true that the devil does not heal. Who is saying the devil heals? Or encourages or restores? the devil tempts and that encourages bad behavior but I do not think that is your intended meaning.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
More red herrings. Slaying straw men. Who are these people?
More flailing at imaginary people. It is true that the devil does not heal. Who is saying the devil heals? Or encourages or restores? the devil tempts and that encourages bad behavior but I do not think that is your intended meaning.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
LOL bible does not agree with you.
Well pagan teaching is nothing new. It just finds new ways of introducing itself while hiding its true intent. Some things are called gifts of the Holy Spirit but they do not match the teaching of the bible. Nothing new there either.
Let God be true.
Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Let God be true.
Ro 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
This new format is interesting ... you don't see anything from someone you've ignored - yet you hear the other side of the conversation. It's like listening to someone on their cell phone. Lemme guess, you're talking to Roger, right? Lol.
I tried to cut and paste that blog post into this thread, but it lost it's colors in the transition and I don't have time to redo it. It wouldn't have mattered. Roger (and too many others) read to respond, not to take in or consider.
Thanks for the back up tho I suggest you put him on ignore too, he'll tie you up needlessly and keep you from other things.
I tried to cut and paste that blog post into this thread, but it lost it's colors in the transition and I don't have time to redo it. It wouldn't have mattered. Roger (and too many others) read to respond, not to take in or consider.
Thanks for the back up tho
I suggest you put him on ignore too, he'll tie you up needlessly and keep you from other things.-
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That right there is what makes this such a prickly subject to discuss. Any other issue we can banter back and forth without too much serious consequence. But we know without question what happens to those who witness a bonafide gift of the Holy Spirit, and testify "that was not God". Part of the reason I ignore Roger is because the more evidence we present, and the more he denies, the deeper into the pit he digs. I don't want my brother blaspheming the Holy Spirit, so I've learned to give him less opportunity to do so. Because believe me, he won't pass up a single one.
People, you don't have to agree or partake. But be very, VERY, VERY careful about what you say and how you say it. Yes there is fraud. As there always is when there is a larger Truth in play. But throwing the baby out with this bathwater comes with a leash that may well yank you out the window with it. The Bible explicitly says "DO NOT FORBID", and what happens to those who deny.
Learn to discern, not to deny.
People, you don't have to agree or partake. But be very, VERY, VERY careful about what you say and how you say it. Yes there is fraud. As there always is when there is a larger Truth in play. But throwing the baby out with this bathwater comes with a leash that may well yank you out the window with it. The Bible explicitly says "DO NOT FORBID", and what happens to those who deny.
Learn to discern, not to deny.
True yet we cannot escape the fact that pagans spoke in unknown tongues. Those tongues were not of the Holy Spirit. Tongues of the Holy Spirit were known of the speaker and able to be translated by others so all in the assembly would receive edification.
Pagan tongues involved repeating the same phrase over and over again very rapidly to create a desired sound effect. No one understood and of course no one was edified except the speaker. In the case of the pagans the edification of the speaker was the preeminence they received over the other people.
All that is in great contrast to the gifts of tongues in the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit tongues proclaimed Christ and glorified Christ not men.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Pagan tongues involved repeating the same phrase over and over again very rapidly to create a desired sound effect. No one understood and of course no one was edified except the speaker. In the case of the pagans the edification of the speaker was the preeminence they received over the other people.
All that is in great contrast to the gifts of tongues in the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit tongues proclaimed Christ and glorified Christ not men.
For the cause of Christ
Roger