Is the GREAT CITY in BABYLON, actually in Babylon, in Rev. 18?

[eternally-gratefull]

I fully believe the Pope is the false prophet and we can see this easily coming on line by what he is doing....some points...

a. Unifying all so called religions under one banner "ALL the Monotheistic religions-->Christianity, Judism and ISLAM
b. The two horns one higher than the other --->a reunified Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox union which he is pushing
c. The Catholic church worships and pushes IMAGES of God, Mary, Popes etc. <---false prophet will do this
d. The Catholic church believes in miracles as a sign from God<---Beast and 2nd beast will work miracles in sight of first beast
e. Pope has BOWED to and KISSED the KORAN essentially placing the Catholic church and the pope UNDER ISLAM
f. Current POPE has stated that ISLAM and Catholic Church worship SAME GOD by a different name

I disagree that the characteristics of Revelation as applied unto the CITY BABYLON (called such 6 times) fits the Catholic church....for one the Catholic church by sea trade has not made the merchants of the earth rich....and Rome (the seat of Catholic power) has NO DEEP water ports that apply to the first point of all who trade by sea are made rich by HER......

The bigger picture is the blend....Rome is but one aspect of the end kingdom and application of Babylon....it is not about the religion of Rome per se, but rather a blend of what was started in Babylon as the HEAD of GENTILE world POWER...that IS what MOST miss bro....

The statue represents Gentile world power and rule....it begins with Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon and culminates with the 10 toes of iron and clay attempting to mix (ISLAM and Romanism) <----out of this comes the 10 horns and the subjugation of 3 of the 10 by the LITTLE HORN that rises in the midst of the 10<---this is the 8th and final KINGDOM of world GENTILE rule over the planet I.E> the kingdom of the beast......

The religion is the same all throughout history and that religion enthrones MAN and dethrones God.....GOD does know that in the day ye eat thereof ye shall be as GOD knowing good and evil....<---SELF RULE is the mystery religion!

As I said, pope may be false prophet, but i doubt it

As for rev 17 and catholic church, it fits very well, as i said almost to a T

Ps all the statues and horns and everything your talking about here, thats the final empire, not babylon. And that empire is rome

 

[VCO]

As I said, pope may be false prophet, but i doubt it

As for rev 17 and catholic church, it fits very well, as i said almost to a T

Ps all the statues and horns and everything your talking about here, thats the final empire, not babylon. And that empire is rome

Yes it is the revival of the ROMAN EMPIRE, but it's Capitol City is NOT ROME. It's capitol city is Brussels.

 

[VCO]

one or two in the Yellowstone caldera may be all it takes to create a lake of fire

When I was about to be SAVED after Christmas 1977, I attempted Suicide three times. I felt like I was standing in the Gates to Hades/Hell, and I was about to walk in. It terrified me so much that I dropped the pistol twice, BECAUSE I ENVISIONED HELL BEING A LAVA LAKE, AND I HAD LOST THE ABILITY TO DIE, BUT TORMENT OF THE FIRE WAS ENDLESS.

 

[calibob]

When I was about to be SAVED after Christmas 1977, I attempted Suicide three times. I felt like I was standing in the Gates to Hades/Hell, and I was about to walk in. It terrified me so much that I dropped the pistol twice, BECAUSE I ENVISIONED HELL BEING A LAVA LAKE, AND I HAD LOST THE ABILITY TO DIE, BUT TORMENT OF THE FIRE WAS ENDLESS.

PTL YOU DIDN'T!

 

[VCO]

So Does Israel. So does Russia and China And Europe.

And I think it is LITERAL, the Demons let out of the Pit, that were locked there since they took earthly Wife's from the daughters of men.
I think they were TRYING TO POLLUTE the Human Race, so that Christ could not be born of a Woman.

 

[VCO]

PTL YOU DIDN'T!

YES, Praise the LORD! After the Third Attempt, I surrendered to HIM, HE loved me enough to save me from myself. HE HAD A PLAN FOR MY LIFE. Way beyond my wildest Dream. The third Attempt was trying to arrange a FATAL motorcycle accident. For 15 years, this once Nebraska farm boy, HE OPENED THE DOORS for me to become a Volunteer Protestant Chaplain in two of the toughest Prisons in California, over 9 years at one, then 6 more years at another, both supermax Prisons. I never dreamed I would want to move to California, and EVEN LESS, that I would want to go into to a supermax Prison, to start a Prison Ministry. JESUS did it all, and I was there for the ride.

 

[dcontroversal]

The us has nothing to do with the gentile world power, the final world power is rome, (or as many call it, rome 2) which will be European, not american, the leader will be the prince who comes out of the people who destroyed jeresalem in ad 70, ie out of rome 2, and this leader will deatroy babylon,

The final gentile power destroys babylon, because babylon has to much power and influence, proven by he fact the wrld mourns her loss.

And by he way, news flash, there are more christians in china now than in the us, the us is now longer a christian nation.

Yeahhh ok....whatevzz

 

[dcontroversal]

As I said, pope may be false prophet, but i doubt it

As for rev 17 and catholic church, it fits very well, as i said almost to a T

Ps all the statues and horns and everything your talking about here, thats the final empire, not babylon. And that empire is rome

OK whatever dude....HAH I already said it is the final empire..maybe read what I wrote...final EMPIRE that rises out of the destruction of the ONLY superpower in the west....and when this begins to go down...head to missouri and get a hold of me...I will provide for you and your family

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OK whatever dude....HAH I already said it is the final empire..maybe read what I wrote...final EMPIRE that rises out of the destruction of the ONLY superpower in the west....and when this begins to go down...head to missouri and get a hold of me...I will provide for you and your family

lol its ok, God will provide for us, actually i am not sure i will even be here, and if i am, my job will be to witness to the lost, not hide,

Ps, i know what you said, i do not to read it again, as I said, Disagree,

if europe put all their resoirces together, the US would not be he only superpower in the west, in fact t wouod not even be the largest, ea completely united europe would (no i am not talking EU, EU are not completely united) you would have maybe china as the biggest army, europe (biblical Rome 2) as number 2 maybe the US as number 3 then russia (soviet union states)

That is what we see when we see these kings uniting together and th final gaining power over three, europe units as one empire again, he US does not need to do anything for this to happen, n fact, the could do nwith thing.

 

[VCO]

The us has nothing to do with the gentile world power, the final world power is rome, (or as many call it, rome 2) which will be European, not american, the leader will be the prince who comes out of the people who destroyed jeresalem in ad 70, ie out of rome 2, and this leader will deatroy babylon,

The final gentile power destroys babylon, because babylon has to much power and influence, proven by he fact the wrld mourns her loss.

And by he way, news flash, there are more christians in china now than in the us, the us is now longer a christian nation.

And Here is The Rest of the STORY:


Zechariah 14:1-21 (HCSB)
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
10 All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.
11 People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
13 On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.
14 Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected: gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance.
15 The same plague as the previous one will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the animals that are in those camps.
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
20 On that day, ⌊the words⌋ HOLY TO THE LORD will be on the bells of the horses. The pots in the house of the LORD will be like the sprinkling basins before the altar.
21 Every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts. Everyone who sacrifices will come and take some of the pots to cook in. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.

 

[cyberman]

As for as the catholic church still having great political power, I believe they have become a paper tiger.

In a lot of ways I agree with you. It still has some power but, if you look at those who consider to call themselves "Catholic" you will see that they oppose the what the Church teaches concerning the Real Presence, abortion, artificial contraception, same sex unions, etc. There are committed Catholics who believe what the Church holds and teaches and that is a good thing.

 

[VCO]

In a lot of ways I agree with you. It still has some power but, if you look at those who consider to call themselves "Catholic" you will see that they oppose the what the Church teaches concerning the Real Presence, abortion, artificial contraception, same sex unions, etc. There are committed Catholics who believe what the Church holds and teaches and that is a good thing.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And Here is The Rest of the STORY:


Zechariah 14:1-21 (HCSB)
1 A day of the LORD is coming when your plunder will be divided in your presence.
2 I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
3 Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
4 On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
5 You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
6 On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
7 It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
8 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
9 On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
10 All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be changed into a plain. But ⌊Jerusalem⌋ will be raised up and will remain on its site from the Benjamin Gate to the place of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses.
11 People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
12 This will be the plague the LORD strikes all the peoples with, who have warred against Jerusalem: their flesh will rot while they stand on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.
13 On that day a great panic from the LORD will be among them, so that each will seize the hand of another, and the hand of one will rise against the other.
14 Judah will also fight at Jerusalem, and the wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected: gold, silver, and clothing in great abundance.
15 The same plague as the previous one will strike the horses, mules, camels, donkeys, and all the animals that are in those camps.
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
17 Should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, rain will not fall on them.
18 And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter, then rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague the LORD inflicts on the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Booths.
20 On that day, ⌊the words⌋ HOLY TO THE LORD will be on the bells of the horses. The pots in the house of the LORD will be like the sprinkling basins before the altar.
21 Every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah will be holy to the LORD of Hosts. Everyone who sacrifices will come and take some of the pots to cook in. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of Hosts.

Amen, On that day, The age of the gentile or "time of the gentiles" will be completed. The gentile kingdoms crushed as a rock with crushed the statue of Dan 2. And as paul said "All Israel will be saved"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In a lot of ways I agree with you. It still has some power but, if you look at those who consider to call themselves "Catholic" you will see that they oppose the what the Church teaches concerning the Real Presence, abortion, artificial contraception, same sex unions, etc. There are committed Catholics who believe what the Church holds and teaches and that is a good thing.

The catholic people is who the high priest (pope) has power over, and since much of the western world is more catholic than anything else. He holds great power.

People in the US and maybe england does not see it, Because the catholic church is not as big and does not hold as much power as other states like Spain and South America etc etc..

 

[VCO]

Amen, On that day, The age of the gentile or "time of the gentiles" will be completed. The gentile kingdoms crushed as a rock with crushed the statue of Dan 2. And as paul said "All Israel will be saved"

AMEN ON THAT.

Can we go HOME now?

 

[cyberman]

You are barking up the wrong tree.

In what way?

 

[cyberman]

The catholic people is who the high priest (pope) has power over, and since much of the western world is more catholic than anything else. He holds great power.

People in the US and maybe england does not see it, Because the catholic church is not as big and does not hold as much power as other states like Spain and South America etc etc..

I do not know if I would agree or not.

 

[garee]

In those parables using Babylon . It is not a literal city as that seen anymore than the new heavenly Jerusalem, prepared as the bride of Christ.

Babylon would represent the strange woman which represents all the kingdoms of this world under the rule of the god of this world as the wisdom there of. We walk by the faith of Christ as that which comes by hearing God, as it is written.

The kingdom of God does not come by observation (walking by sight)

Ephesians 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Judgement will begin with the unseen church.

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Mathew 4:8-9

Notice... above the Son of man, Jesus did not say the kingdoms of this world which will be replaced by the new heavens and earth do not belong to Satan the father of lies. He simply said again and again as it is written .With it representing the faith of God not seen.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[jb]

In those parables using Babylon . It is not a literal city as that seen anymore than the new heavenly Jerusalem, prepared as the bride of Christ.

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Shear fiction!

 

[garee]

Shear fiction!

Shear metaphor. Using the earthly to represent the spiritual Babylon the great city not seen as the strange woman . The kingdom of God as the heavenly city of new Jerusalem represents the bride the mother of us all.

Two woman used to represent that not seen. One as the bride the church the mother of us all. The other the strange woman the mother of Harlots ,natural unconverted mankind the, evil generation

We walk by faith and not by sight.

Revelation 17:5And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.