Does Joseph = Imhotep?

[GodisONE]

we know who Joseph is.
we know his brothers sold him and he ended up in Djoser, Egypt becoming second in command to the Pharoah.
and we know he was looked upon a wise man, a ruler, a spiritual man, saved Egypt during a 7 year drought.

but the Egyptian hieroglyphs speak of a person that also fits the attributes and qualities of Joseph, also in Djoser, second in command, a wise man of spiritual advice, medicine, and also was in a 7 year drought of Egypt who saved Egypt like we know Joseph did.

his name was Imhotep.

now what is most interesting about the names is how they are properly aligned and spelled/sounded according to the original Hebrew language.
and when you use the proper spelling, you can see a similarity between Joseph and Imhotep.

here is the example I speak of:


IMHOTEP
J HOSEPH

when you view it in this manner, Imhotep could easily mean Imhosep which is Jhoseph.

they both built a step pyramid [which Joseph used as an alter unto God].

in my opinion, the person whom Egyptians worship as a god is in fact Joseph, the son of Jacob.

but, what do you think?

 

[GodisONE]

hahaha no bites on this one.

it does require those who study everything surrounding the Bible like Egyptian culture, Babylonian cultures, etc. even old nations like Persia have many answers that help support scripture. but one must know how to research.

 

[Dan58]

in my opinion, the person whom Egyptians worship as a god is in fact Joseph, the son of Jacob.
but, what do you think?

I kinda doubt they were the same person:
Imhotep, Greek Imouthes, (born 27th century bce, Memphis, Egypt), vizier, sage, architect, astrologer, and chief minister to Djoser (reigned 2630–2611 bce), the second king of Egypt’s third dynasty, who was later worshipped as the god of medicine in Egypt and in Greece, where he was identified with the Greek god of medicine, Asclepius.

Its thought that Joseph was born around 1782 BC, so nearly a 1000 year discrepancy in birth dates. Also, Imhotep was born in Egypt, while Joseph was born in Haran, near today's Turkish border.

 

[GodisONE]

I kinda doubt they were the same person:
Imhotep, Greek Imouthes, (born 27th century bce, Memphis, Egypt), vizier, sage, architect, astrologer, and chief minister to Djoser (reigned 2630–2611 bce), the second king of Egypt’s third dynasty, who was later worshipped as the god of medicine in Egypt and in Greece, where he was identified with the Greek god of medicine, Asclepius.

Its thought that Joseph was born around 1782 BC, so nearly a 1000 year discrepancy in birth dates. Also, Imhotep was born in Egypt, while Joseph was born in Haran, near today's Turkish border.

thank you for replying!!

I am well aware of when Imhotep was supposedly on the scene. but if we took the things Imhotep accomplished like helping Egypt through a feminine, and then add Joseph to the equation, this is now 14 years of feminine in Djoser. but history proves there only was 7 years famine. so who actually solved the famine crisis within Djoser, Joseph like the Bible claims, or Imhotep?

I also know that Imhotep was not thought of for over 1500 years. then the Egyptians began thinking about him and created this knowledge of him. there was actually no heritage documentation. so factually, no one actually knows where Imhotep was born, or who his parents were? it was 1500 years ago and they made it up.

but I am still wondering about the 7 year famine. because if there was both Joseph and Imhotep, that means 14 years of famine when it's on record for only 7!!

 

[calibob]

thank you for replying!!

I am well aware of when Imhotep was supposedly on the scene. but if we took the things Imhotep accomplished like helping Egypt through a feminine, and then add Joseph to the equation, this is now 14 years of feminine in Djoser. but history proves there only was 7 years famine. so who actually solved the famine crisis within Djoser, Joseph like the Bible claims, or Imhotep?

I also know that Imhotep was not thought of for over 1500 years. then the Egyptians began thinking about him and created this knowledge of him. there was actually no heritage documentation. so factually, no one actually knows where Imhotep was born, or who his parents were? it was 1500 years ago and they made it up.

but I am still wondering about the 7 year famine. because if there was both Joseph and Imhotep, that means 14 years of famine when it's on record for only 7!!

You can't leave it go like that. You should explain the difference between god and God and also what a demi god is. I've been here since this A.M. so I'll hand the mantle to you. bob

 

[GodisONE]

You can't leave it go like that. You should explain the difference between god and God and also what a demi god is. I've been here since this A.M. so I'll hand the mantle to you. bob

hahahahaha ok!!

I obviously believe knowing there was only ONE SEVEN YEAR FAMINE PERIOD in Djoser it has to be Joseph because it is found within the WORD of GOD!!

we know the Hebrews was slaves in Egypt even with no Egyptian proof because of scripture.

we know how the world does not want to give the people of God credit for the work of God.

therefore, by simple deduction of the SEVEN YEAR ONE TIME FAMINE WITHIN DJOSER, Joseph is indeed Imhotep whom Egyptians worship as a god.

but if you examine scripture closely, you can see why later Egyptians would believe as such.


and let me add this point, when it's possible as mentioned TWICE within scripture that ONE DAY could be equal to ONE THOUSAND YEARS, we cannot definitively claim the 7 day creation was in our 24 hour period, or within God's 1,000 year period.

and if we add 1,000 years to the SEVENTH DAY God rested, that puts Joseph at same time as Imhotep!!

 

[prove-all]

WHO DID build the Great Pyramid at Gizeh, Egypt?
When and why did he build the pyramid?
http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain...great-pyramid-is-identified-in-the-bible.html

 

[7seasrekeyed]

hahaha no bites on this one.

it does require those who study everything surrounding the Bible like Egyptian culture, Babylonian cultures, etc. even old nations like Persia have many answers that help support scripture. but one must know how to research.

hahaha

maybe include some sources in what you say

I find this confusing, from your profile

Spiritual Status:not Christian

When saved:8 years old

so what are you actually saying here?

what is your concept of God when you call yourself Godisone?

so maybe not so much hahahaha after all

 

[eternally-gratefull]

hahahahaha ok!!

I obviously believe knowing there was only ONE SEVEN YEAR FAMINE PERIOD in Djoser it has to be Joseph because it is found within the WORD of GOD!!

we know the Hebrews was slaves in Egypt even with no Egyptian proof because of scripture.

we know how the world does not want to give the people of God credit for the work of God.

therefore, by simple deduction of the SEVEN YEAR ONE TIME FAMINE WITHIN DJOSER, Joseph is indeed Imhotep whom Egyptians worship as a god.

but if you examine scripture closely, you can see why later Egyptians would believe as such.


and let me add this point, when it's possible as mentioned TWICE within scripture that ONE DAY could be equal to ONE THOUSAND YEARS, we cannot definitively claim the 7 day creation was in our 24 hour period, or within God's 1,000 year period.

and if we add 1,000 years to the SEVENTH DAY God rested, that puts Joseph at same time as Imhotep!!

Alot of conjecture here, You would need more than this.

Just because there was only recorded in history one seven year famine does not mean that was the only 1. Using your own reasoning, there is no record of Jews except in the bible. so their could have been another 7 year famine we do not know about

and your reasoning for a day being longer or using a thousand years as a day is flawed. The context is that God is not slow in responding, to him a day is as a thousand years (in the eternal perspective, 1000 years compaired to infinity is quite small) not that 1 day was a thousand years back then.

 

[notuptome]

Alot of conjecture here, You would need more than this.

Just because there was only recorded in history one seven year famine does not mean that was the only 1. Using your own reasoning, there is no record of Jews except in the bible. so their could have been another 7 year famine we do not know about

and your reasoning for a day being longer or using a thousand years as a day is flawed. The context is that God is not slow in responding, to him a day is as a thousand years (in the eternal perspective, 1000 years compaired to infinity is quite small) not that 1 day was a thousand years back then.

Why would anyone connect Joseph to a pagan Egyptian Imhotep?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why would anyone connect Joseph to a pagan Egyptian Imhotep?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I am trying to figure this out myself. I have yet to think of any answers.

 

[GodisONE]

WHO DID build the Great Pyramid at Gizeh, Egypt?
When and why did he build the pyramid?
http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain...great-pyramid-is-identified-in-the-bible.html

excellent article and full of useful information!!

 

[GodisONE]

hahaha

maybe include some sources in what you say

anyone with a brain can find this topic online.

I find this confusing, from your profile

Spiritual Status:not Christian

When saved:8 years old

so what are you actually saying here?

I did not completely fill out my information is what that states. why would I want to be a Christian? I follow God, not a group of people with a title!!

what is your concept of God when you call yourself Godisone?

the ONENESS concept!!

so maybe not so much hahahaha after all

only to the clueless I suppose.

 

[GodisONE]

Why would anyone connect Joseph to a pagan Egyptian Imhotep?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

why not?
they both did the same things each one is credited for.



the Muslims honor Christ, but not as God.

I don't see you whining over that when you serve the LORD!!

 

[GodisONE]

I am trying to figure this out myself. I have yet to think of any answers.

that's because you are a puppet and cannot think outside the box!!

 

[GodisONE]

Alot of conjecture here, You would need more than this.

Just because there was only recorded in history one seven year famine does not mean that was the only 1. Using your own reasoning, there is no record of Jews except in the bible. so their could have been another 7 year famine we do not know about

and your reasoning for a day being longer or using a thousand years as a day is flawed. The context is that God is not slow in responding, to him a day is as a thousand years (in the eternal perspective, 1000 years compaired to infinity is quite small) not that 1 day was a thousand years back then.

I am not doing anything as you would suggest. I basically am tossing out possibilities and nothing else. nothing is ever definitive. try getting a clue before assuming you have a clue!!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

anyone with a brain can find this topic online.





I did not completely fill out my information is what that states. why would I want to be a Christian? I follow God, not a group of people with a title!!





the ONENESS concept!!





only to the clueless I suppose.

we'll see

 

[GodisONE]

we'll see

do you think you are saved and in the Will of God because you filled out your online forum page?

do you think you are saved because you call yourself a Christian?

have you read in Revelations about the "falling away?"

this is where supposed believers end up out of God's will. and I bet they were a part of every organization, had every title, and even filled out their online forum data!!

 

[Yahshua]

we know who Joseph is.
we know his brothers sold him and he ended up in Djoser, Egypt becoming second in command to the Pharoah.
and we know he was looked upon a wise man, a ruler, a spiritual man, saved Egypt during a 7 year drought.

but the Egyptian hieroglyphs speak of a person that also fits the attributes and qualities of Joseph, also in Djoser, second in command, a wise man of spiritual advice, medicine, and also was in a 7 year drought of Egypt who saved Egypt like we know Joseph did.

his name was Imhotep.

now what is most interesting about the names is how they are properly aligned and spelled/sounded according to the original Hebrew language.
and when you use the proper spelling, you can see a similarity between Joseph and Imhotep.

here is the example I speak of:


IMHOTEP
J HOSEPH

when you view it in this manner, Imhotep could easily mean Imhosep which is Jhoseph.

they both built a step pyramid [which Joseph used as an alter unto God].

in my opinion, the person whom Egyptians worship as a god is in fact Joseph, the son of Jacob.

but, what do you think?

Well within the realm of possibility.

We know the name "Joseph" wasn't actually the name of the person. Even the modern Hebrew language doesn't sound like the original language spoken or written back then just like modern English sounds nothing like original English. The letter "J" is relatively new compared to all other modern letters and was originally simply a stylized "I" sounding like a "Yeh" or "Eeh".

"Ph" didn't always have a "Fhh" sound but was simply "Pu" with the "h" almost silent.

So if we write both names using these rules from Hebrew phonetics (though, again, modern Hebrew isn't exact a fair representation of the original), also knowing that the name of the living God (yah) is in Joseph's name as "yeho" we get:

IMHOTEP = Ye(m)-Ho-Tep

IOSEP = Ye-Ho-Sep


And while these could be completely different names (as many ancient names only differed by a single letter or sound), it IS interesting how similar they are. And what gives me pause to consider what you've shared is the fact that we know translation and transliteration errors occur ALL THE TIME when transcribing. The most obvious example is Jesus from Yahshua (again < modern Hebrew so His name wasn't exactly Yahshua). Same person, but with completely different names on the surface...until you dig deeper.

As another example, even the name "Hebrew" is the Hellenize version of "Ibri" or "Ehbreh".

So it's very possible these two names represent the same man.

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In terms of people worshiping this man as a god; right or wrong, we read in Acts how pagans worshiped Paul and Barnabas as gods also because the Spirit of Yah was with them.

 

[Yahshua]

Another interesting bit of information that I just read...

Imhotep's remains are missing.

Scripture tells us that as a last request Joseph asked his remains be taken with Israel when they leave Egypt for the Promised Land. And interestingly enough no one can find Imhotep's bones anywhere in Egypt.


From the a website on the man:

However, there is something more that fascinates and attracts the interest of Egyptologists about Imhotep, and that is the fact that his tomb has yet to be discovered.

Ancient Egyptians took their preparations for the afterlife very seriously, and a man of Imhotep’s prestige and wealth would have had the resources to be able to build a magnificent tomb to house his mummified body safely for eternity, along with all his rich funerary equipment.

There have been many theories, pointers, and clues as to where Imhotep’s tomb should be located, but to date, there is no tomb that has been excavated in Egypt that can be positively attributed to the great man


It's all very interesting...