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[posthuman]

I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion.

On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
(Leviticus 12:3) ​

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Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all.
(Galatians 5:2)​

 

[Dan_473]

No Dan, their goal is to teach "HOW" to do unto others and "HOW" to Love God. Through them we are to "Prove" what is that "perfect Will of God". through them we learn doctrine, we are corrected, and receive "instruction in Righteousness". That is why they are here.



We are free to eat of lots of trees Dan. There are just a few things we should not do. Does God tell us everything we "CAN" do? No Dan, because we are free to do many things. He instructs us against things we "CAN'T" do. The list is much shorter.



Only if you believe that Jesus didn't know what He was doing when He inspired the Law and Prophet's in the first place, can you believe a statement such as this. I find that the Law and Prophets spell out God's Perfect Salvation plan. I don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. And you have no Scriptural evidence to support such an assertion. The Word actually teach us the opposite. If you are God's then He has already provided an escape for any temptation to disobey Him (SIN). You just have to believe on Him to see it.

Jesus never broke a Law of God to help someone. He was accused of doing this by the Mainstream preachers that taught for doctrines the Commandments of Men, but I don't believe in them, I believe in Jesus who never disobeyed His Father.





You see, I don't believe I was ever entangled in the Instructions and Commandments of God before I came to His Light. You do it seems, and many claim this as well. But for me, the burden and yoke of bondage was the deception of believing a lie. Jesus said the truth shall set me free from this Yoke of Bondage satan had snared me in to do its will. Praise Him for this freedom.

The Jews also believed a lie about God. They claimed to be "Abrahams Children", they claimed God as their Father. But they didn't know Him. You and others imply that this was because they were "Following the Letter of the Law". But this teaching is not true. Those who believe this "Lie" are held in bondage. Trapped, snared by satan to do ITS will. Those who believe in their heart that it was obedience to God Commandments that caused the Jews to be rejected by the Christ are destined to teach against it in many ways.

Rom. 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

And as the serpent demonstrated, it doesn't care about the trees God said we are free to eat of, it is only concerned with convincing man to reject God's "Shall not's".

But had Eve just done the simple task, just obeyed this easy instruction and used the Armor of God and the "Perfect" escape He created for her in this temptation, she would have been like Abraham, Noah, Caleb, Zechariahs and many more. Had she just said: "Let me council with my husband" or "let me pray and ask God first". It was there for her as it is for all of us. And she would have been blessed for choosing to trust God and not her own vision or the religious sounding voices in the world, just as all other examples of Faith were blessed.

That is part of the lesson of the Law and Prophets. That is part of "HOW" to Love God, and "HOW" to share this Love with others.

I don't want to be free from God's Righteousness and create my own as the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time did and as they do now. I love God's Commandment. Jesus is living proof that His Lifestyle was "acceptable to God". I understand why we must "Submit to God". Why we must "Deny our self" and follow Him, not religious voices of the World.

God's instruction is a burden to you ? Who convinced you of that?

God, speaking through his servants the prophets and the apostles, convinced me that the law is a burden.
On the golden altar they shall spread a blue cloth, and cover it with a covering of sealskin, and shall put in its poles. 12 They shall take all the vessels of ministry, with which they minister in the sanctuary, and put them in a blue cloth, and cover them with a covering of sealskin, and shall put them on the frame. 13 They shall take away the ashes from the altar, and spread a purple cloth on it. 14 They shall put on it all its vessels, with which they minister about it, the fire pans, the flesh hooks, the shovels, and the basins; all the vessels of the altar; and they shall spread on it a covering of sealskin, and put in its poles. 15 "When Aaron and his sons have finished covering the sanctuary, and all the furniture of the sanctuary, as the camp moves forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to carry it: but they shall not touch the sanctuary, lest they die. These things are the
burden
of the sons of Kohath in the Tent of Meeting.

 

[Dan_473]

="Dan_473, post: 3656593, member: 190874"]What then?

All have sinned, and once we have sinned it's over. We have sin on us and nothing we do can change that. But God has called us out of sin. (Egypt ) And we have another chance to honor Him with the reverence and respect that He deserves. Abraham was one such example. Caleb, Noah, Zechariahs are others.

These had sin on them, they were guilty, filthy. But God instructed them as He does to us all. "Pick up your cross (sinful flesh) deny our self (repent, change) and Follow Him. (Turn to God)

So has anyone but Jesus ever lived without sin in them? No. But there are few, on a narrow Path, that have trusted God enough to forget their "past" and to move forward in a "Renewed mind" towards the goal of a perfect man who walks in the "works" He created beforehand for us to walk in. So although no man is sin free, there are those who trust God enough to "change" and turn to Him with all their might. This is the Soul He will help as He promised in John 14.




So we are all in the place Abraham was when God called him out of sin. Did Abraham have a Law for the cleansing of sins? Did Abraham have Levites to atone for His sins? No Dan, He had God's Laws, just not the Law "ADDED" until 430 years later. So He was justified by something "apart" from the Law given by Moses for justification. He was justified by Faith.

Had Abraham done as Eve did, and rejected the instructions God had given him, would he still be considered "Faithful"? Of course not. He would not have been in the Faith Chapter and would not have been the father of all true Christians. He obeyed God BECAUSE He trusted God, or had Faith in God. I can't find any example where Faith and obedience are or even can be separated. I can't help it you refuse to accept the existence of atonement Laws given by Moses that Abraham didn't have. But I can promise you one thing, had their been a Levitical Priesthood in Abraham's time, He would have followed them.

Please fix the quote.

 

[Dan_473]

="Dan_473, post: 3656593, member: 190874"]



This is because you don't recognize the Law and Prophets as Word's of the Christ. Jesus Himself, before becoming a man, promised to "change the Priesthood" in Jeremiah 31 and prophesied of it in other places as well.

Ps. 78:67 Moreover he refused the tabernacle of Joseph, and chose not the tribe of Ephraim:
68 But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

Ps. 60:7 Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver (But isn't Levi the Law giver)

Is. 65:
8 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Jer. 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Since you can't seem to accept this "change in the Priesthood", you bind it with God's other Commandments, even the ones Abraham had. And Abraham couldn't have had the Levitical Priesthood for the atonement of sins. Levi wasn't even born yet. This is a mistake.



So if a person correctly separates the Commands given to Israel, from the Commands given specifically to Levites, it become clear the difference between the "Law of Works" and the "Law of Faith". It becomes clear that Abraham obeyed and was justified "Apart" from the "works of the Law" for remission of sins. As it is written:

1 Sam. 15:
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Please fix the quote.

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3656968, member: 190874"]

is it Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill or Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to show us how to fulfill?

I don't believe the Christ has fulfilled "ALL" that is prophesied about Him, so "ALL" has not yet been fulfilled. He has yet to gather those who offend and transgress His Fathers Commandments, (Iniquity) and cast them into the Lake of fire. among other things and I just don't believe this has happened yet.

He said He came to "fulfill". I don't know where you got the idea that I must fulfill the Law and Prophets. It was Jesus, not me, who said the entire Law and Prophets "hang" on the two greatest commandments in the Law. It is my understanding that the "LAW and Prophets are where we are to get our "Doctrine" and where we get "correction" and where we get "Instructions in Righteousness". It was written as examples for our "admonition" to show us how to interact with God and His instructions. Paul believed "ALL" things written in it, but the Mainstream Church of his time considered the Law and Prophets "Heresy".

Does your religion teach these things?

For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but
how to
perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin

And where is the Law of God found? In the Law and Prophets that Jesus and Paul taught salvation from.

I'm not sure what your point was here.

 

[Studyman]

About him we have many words to say, and hard to interpret, seeing you have become dull of hearing. 12 For when by reason of the time you ought to be teachers, you again need to have someone teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God. You have come to need milk, and not solid food. 13 For everyone who lives on milk is not experienced in the word of righteousness, for he is a baby. 14 But solid food is for those who are full grown, who by reason of use have
their senses
exercised to discern good and evil. (By whose judgment? God's or mans?) Therefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on to perfection—not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God, 2 of the teaching of washings, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of everlasting judgment.

Heb. 5:
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Heb. 6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he (Abraham) obtained the promise.

Matt. 24:
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3656983, member: 190874"]

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

How can it be "SIN" if everything is Lawful? Are you posting this as justification of your religious traditions?

19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

In the Law and Prophets, what did the "Faithful" examples written for our admonition, do to Glorify God in body and spirit? Did they strive to circumvent His Instruction, or did they strive to honor Him with respect and obedience?

 

[Dan_473]

="Dan_473, post: 3656968, member: 190874"]

I don't believe the Christ has fulfilled "ALL" that is prophesied about Him, so "ALL" has not yet been fulfilled. He has yet to gather those who offend and transgress His Fathers Commandments, (Iniquity) and cast them into the Lake of fire. among other things and I just don't believe this has happened yet.

He said He came to "fulfill". I don't know where you got the idea that I must fulfill the Law and Prophets. It was Jesus, not me, who said the entire Law and Prophets "hang" on the two greatest commandments in the Law. It is my understanding that the "LAW and Prophets are where we are to get our "Doctrine" and where we get "correction" and where we get "Instructions in Righteousness". It was written as examples for our "admonition" to show us how to interact with God and His instructions. Paul believed "ALL" things written in it, but the Mainstream Church of his time considered the Law and Prophets "Heresy".

Does your religion teach these things?



And where is the Law of God found? In the Law and Prophets that Jesus and Paul taught salvation from.

I'm not sure what your point was here.

Please fix the quote.

 

[Dan_473]

Heb. 5:
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Heb. 6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he (Abraham) obtained the promise.

Matt. 24:
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

When you quote what I say, please do not modify it with bold text or colors. Thank you.

 

[Studyman]

Have you not read what David did, when he and his companions were hungry; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and they ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?

Yes, The Word which became Flesh "ADDED" a Law 430 years after Abraham, specifically for the Levite Priests giving them duties that were not Lawful for the rest of Israel.

What is your point? Do you believe your understand of this one verse erases the rest of the Bible?

 

[Dan_473]

="Dan_473, post: 3656983, member: 190874"]

How can it be "SIN" if everything is Lawful? Are you posting this as justification of your religious traditions?




In the Law and Prophets, what did the "Faithful" examples written for our admonition, do to Glorify God in body and spirit? Did they strive to circumvent His Instruction, or did they strive to honor Him with respect and obedience?

Please fix the quote.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes, The Word which became Flesh "ADDED" a Law 430 years after Abraham, specifically for the Levite Priests giving them duties that were not Lawful for the rest of Israel.

What is your point? Do you believe your understand of this one verse erases the rest of the Bible?

I believe you said that you don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. Have you not read what David did, when he and his companions were hungry; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and they ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?


Then David came to Nob to Ahimelech the priest. Ahimelech came to meet David trembling, and said to him, "Why are you alone, and no man with you?" 2 David said to the priest, "The king has commanded me a business, and has said to me, 'Let no man know anything of the business about which I send you, and what I have commanded you; and I have arranged to meet the young men at a certain place.' 3 Now, if there are five loaves of bread under your control, give them into my hand, or whatever there is." 4 And the priest answered David, and said, "There is no common bread in my control, but there is holy bread. If the young men have kept themselves from women, they may eat of it." 5 And David answered the priest, and said to him, "Truly women have been kept from us as always when I set out. All the young men are holy, even when it is an ordinary mission. So how much more today will their vessels be holy?" 6 So the priest gave him what had been consecrated, for there was no bread there but the show bread, that had been removed before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away. 7 Now a certain man of the servants of Saul was there that day, detained before the LORD; and his name was Doeg the Edomite, the best of the herdsmen who belonged to Saul. 8 David said to Ahimelech, "Isn't there here under your control spear or sword? For I have neither brought my sword nor my weapons with me, because the king's business required haste." 9 The priest said, "The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom you killed in the valley of Elah, look, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind an ephod. If you will take that, take it; for there is no other except that here." David said, "There is none like that. Give it to me." 10 David arose, and fled that day for fear of Saul, and went to Achish the king of Gath. 11The servants of Achish said to him, "Isn't this David the king of the land? Did they not sing one to another about him in dances, saying, 'Saul has slain his thousands, David his ten thousands?'" was
Ahimelech right to give David the bread?
KAPH. My soul faints for your salvation. I hope in your word. 82 My eyes fail for your word. I say, "When will you comfort me?" 83For I have become like a wineskin in the smoke. I do not forget your statutes.84 How many are the days of your servant? When will you execute judgment on those who persecute me? 85The proud have dug pits for me, contrary to your Law. 86 All of your commandments are faithful. They persecute me wrongfully. Help me. 87They had almost wiped me from the earth, but I did not forsake your precepts.88 Preserve my life according to your loving kindness, so I will obey the statutes of your mouth. 89LAMED.
no verse in the Bible erase is another verse.
LORD, your word is settled in heaven forever. 90 Your faithfulness is to all generations. You have established the earth, and it remains. 91 Your laws remain to this day, for all things serve you. 92 Unless your Law had been my delight, I would have perished in my affliction. 93I will never forget your precepts, for with them, you have revived me. 94 I am yours. Save me, for I have sought your precepts.95 The wicked have waited for me, to destroy me. I will consider your statutes.96 I have seen a limit to all perfection, but your commands are boundless.

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3657012, member: 190874"]Jesus was born under the law.

Yes, He was a man same as you and I. But He was born under a law that Abraham nor you and I were born under. It's called the "Levitical Priesthood". The Mainstream Preachers of that time had created a religion around it. But they had omitted the Weightier parts of God's Law like Judgment, Mercy and Faith. Jesus "fulfilled" this Priesthood and became our High Priest as He foretold in the Law and Prophets.

But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, though he is lord of all; 2 but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed by the father. 3 So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental principles of the world. 4But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out his Son, born to a woman, born under the law, 5 that he might redeem those who were under the law, (Fulfill the intent of the Priesthood "works of the Law") that we might receive the adoption of children.

we are not under the law.

So yes, as Jesus and His Prophets foretold, we are no longer under the Law of the Old Covenant which required the "blood of goats" for the remission of sins. As He said "For I will forgive their sins".

Does this verse, in your mind, erase the scriptures of my post? Does it make the Law and Prophets Void?

For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are obvious, which are: sexual immorality, uncleanness, lustfulness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, strife, jealousies, outbursts of anger, rivalries, divisions, heresies, 21 envyings, murders, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these; of which I forewarn you, even as I also forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, and envying one another.

But now wait a minute, you just posted that "EVERYTHING was "Lawful" for Paul. But now you are posting rules, mostly parts of Leviticus 19 and Ex. 20.


Is there some kind of point you are trying to make? Or are they just random posts.

 

[Studyman]

="Dan_473, post: 3657393, member: 190874"]I believe you said that you don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. Have you not read what David did, when he and his companions were hungry; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and they ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?

Then David came to Nob to Ahimelech the priest. Ahimelech came to meet David trembling, and said to him, "Why are you alone, and no man with you?" 2 David said to the priest, "The king has commanded me a business, and has said to me, 'Let no man know anything of the business about which I send you, and what I have commanded you; and I have arranged to meet the young men at a certain place.' 3 Now, if there are five loaves of bread under your control, give them into my hand, or whatever there is." 4 And the priest answered David, and said, "There is no common bread in my control, but there is holy bread. If the young men have kept themselves from women, they may eat of it." 5 And David answered the priest, and said to him, "Truly women have been kept from us as always when I set out. All the young men are holy, even when it is an ordinary mission. So how much more today will their vessels be holy?" 6 So the priest gave him what had been consecrated, for there was no bread there but the show bread, that had been removed before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away. 7 Now a certain man of the servants of Saul was there that day, detained before the LORD; and his name was Doeg the Edomite, the best of the herdsmen who belonged to Saul. 8 David said to Ahimelech, "Isn't there here under your control spear or sword? For I have neither brought my sword nor my weapons with me, because the king's business required haste." 9 The priest said, "The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom you killed in the valley of Elah, look, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind an ephod. If you will take that, take it; for there is no other except that here." David said, "There is none like that. Give it to me." 10 David arose, and fled that day for fear of Saul, and went to Achish the king of Gath. 11The servants of Achish said to him, "Isn't this David the king of the land? Did they not sing one to another about him in dances, saying, 'Saul has slain his thousands, David his ten thousands?'"

was
Ahimelech right to give David the bread?

12 And Saul said, Hear now, thou son of Ahitub. And he answered, Here I am, my lord.
13 And Saul said unto him, Why have ye conspired against me, thou and the son of Jesse, in that thou hast given him bread, and a sword, and hast enquired of God for him, that he should rise against me, to lie in wait, as at this day?

14 Then Ahimelech answered the king, and said, And who is so faithful among all thy servants as David, which is the king's son in law, and goeth at thy bidding, and is honourable in thine house?

15 Did I then begin to enquire of God for him? be it far from me: let not the king impute any thing unto his servant, nor to all the house of my father: for thy servant knew nothing of all this, less or more.

16 And the king said, Thou shalt surely die, Ahimelech, thou, and all thy father's house.

So if you believe in the Pharisees, and King Saul, which had the same spirit, you would declare as you do, that David and the Priest sinned.

If that's what the spirit on you teaches these scriptures are about, then so be it.

I don't believe the Word which became Flesh created this "Example" for my admonition, to teach me to reject God's Commandments, or create my own religious traditions, or to use it to make Void all His other Words, before and after, regarding His Holy Sabbath.

1 Sam. 15:
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

So you answer a question. In your understanding of the God of Abraham, did He create the Priesthood and the Priesthood duties to help His People, or to rule over them?

I find it absolutely fascinating how far men go to preserve their own religion. Saul tried to kill David, The Pharisees killed their own Messiah, all to preserve their own religious traditions.

In your zeal to do the same thing, you have missed the most important lesson Jesus created for us in these examples. And it wasn't to teach us it's OK to transgress His Commandments. IMO.

 

[Studyman]

Please fix the quote.

No.

You just keep going on and on. Never really addressing the point of the point.

I get it. We disagree.

I'm OK with that.

 

[gb9]

No.

You just keep going on and on. Never really addressing the point of the point.

I get it. We disagree.

I'm OK with that.

so dan has patiently and politely asked you to do something you could easily do, and you refuse.

way to love your neighbor as yourself their hotshot!!

 

[Dan_473]

="Dan_473, post: 3657012, member: 190874"]Jesus was born under the law.

Yes, He was a man same as you and I. But He was born under a law that Abraham nor you and I were born under. It's called the "Levitical Priesthood". The Mainstream Preachers of that time had created a religion around it. But they had omitted the Weightier parts of God's Law like Judgment, Mercy and Faith. Jesus "fulfilled" this Priesthood and became our High Priest as He foretold in the Law and Prophets.




So yes, as Jesus and His Prophets foretold, we are no longer under the Law of the Old Covenant which required the "blood of goats" for the remission of sins. As He said "For I will forgive their sins".

Does this verse, in your mind, erase the scriptures of my post? Does it make the Law and Prophets Void?



But now wait a minute, you just posted that "EVERYTHING was "Lawful" for Paul. But now you are posting rules, mostly parts of Leviticus 19 and Ex. 20.


Is there some kind of point you are trying to make? Or are they just random posts.

Please fix the quote.

 

[Dan_473]

="Dan_473, post: 3657393, member: 190874"]I believe you said that you don't believe you will be placed in a position where you will have to break God's Law to keep it. Have you not read what David did, when he and his companions were hungry; 4 how he entered into the house of God, and they ate the show bread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath day the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath and are blameless?





12 And Saul said, Hear now, thou son of Ahitub. And he answered, Here I am, my lord.
13 And Saul said unto him, Why have ye conspired against me, thou and the son of Jesse, in that thou hast given him bread, and a sword, and hast enquired of God for him, that he should rise against me, to lie in wait, as at this day?

14 Then Ahimelech answered the king, and said, And who is so faithful among all thy servants as David, which is the king's son in law, and goeth at thy bidding, and is honourable in thine house?

15 Did I then begin to enquire of God for him? be it far from me: let not the king impute any thing unto his servant, nor to all the house of my father: for thy servant knew nothing of all this, less or more.

16 And the king said, Thou shalt surely die, Ahimelech, thou, and all thy father's house.

So if you believe in the Pharisees, and King Saul, which had the same spirit, you would declare as you do, that David and the Priest sinned.

If that's what the spirit on you teaches these scriptures are about, then so be it.

I don't believe the Word which became Flesh created this "Example" for my admonition, to teach me to reject God's Commandments, or create my own religious traditions, or to use it to make Void all His other Words, before and after, regarding His Holy Sabbath.

1 Sam. 15:
22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

So you answer a question. In your understanding of the God of Abraham, did He create the Priesthood and the Priesthood duties to help His People, or to rule over them?

I find it absolutely fascinating how far men go to preserve their own religion. Saul tried to kill David, The Pharisees killed their own Messiah, all to preserve their own religious traditions.

In your zeal to do the same thing, you have missed the most important lesson Jesus created for us in these examples. And it wasn't to teach us it's OK to transgress His Commandments. IMO.

Please fix the quote.

 

[Dan_473]

No.

You just keep going on and on. Never really addressing the point of the point.

I get it. We disagree.

I'm OK with that.

I do not just keep going on and on. I post some of my own words with a lot of scripture to support them. anyone is welcome to respond to my posts or not, as they choose.


For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven: 2 a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 a time to tear, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.

 

[posthuman]

this reads a little differently when read in its context..

Heb. 6:15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he (Abraham) obtained the promise.

When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself, saying, “I will surely bless you and give you many descendants.” And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised.​

People swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. Because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised, He confirmed it with an oath. God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged. We have this hope as an anchor for the soul, firm and secure. It enters the inner sanctuary behind the curtain, where our forerunner, Jesus, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
(Hebrews 6:13-20)​

a sure hope that greatly encourages; an unchanging promise that can fully be trusted because He who promised is faithful.
that God has put to an end all argument with His oath - Christ is priest forever - Christ, who has by one sacrifice perfected forever all who cling to this hope.

Matt. 24:
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

what about:
endure in belief? ((not being deceived by false prophets))
endure in love? ((not waxing cold))

always you seem to assume iniquity when others speak of His great grace towards us -- when others speak of that hope written of in Hebrews 6.

endure in hope and belief, knowing His blood justifies. that is not tantamount to 'abound in iniquity'