Speaking in tongues

[notuptome]

all one has to do is look at your 2 1/2 paragraphs here and see you provided no Biblical context only an insult to what is my understanding of 1 for 12-14 contextually . You used gen 11 to read into it the Gifts of the Holy Spirit (tongues) and were not able to prove your point then you insult. I am not the one who has an issue with what the Bible records as the "Gifts of the Holy" in 1cor 12 to 14. Now do not agree with 1cor 12-14 and that is ok however, why do you result to insults because I see 1 cor chapters 12 to 14 as unit chapters which every Biblical scholar says they are? I wish you were able to provide the actual context of 1cor 12-14 Lord knows you had more then enough opportunities . You suggest I and other have inabilities. I cause you to remember many threads ago IT was you who will not say you were ever corrected Biblically ever. Not me . I have stated I have been wrong and could be wrong however, the context of the "Gifts of the Holy" are Biblical because they're taught . we see them in operation through out the Book of Acts; emphasized in the Letters of Paul the Apostle and others. They wrote as they were Led to do so by the Holy Spirit. Again it is not I who has an issue , I am not the one who refuses to admit to ever being corrected.
And That is a very telling discernment about one who studies the word of God.


Don't take my word for it :

Here are some verses to consider . I think all should take heed -all including me & you


Titus 3:10-11

Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

Romans 16:17

Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them.

Matthew 18:15-17

"If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collecto

I am prepared to be judged by the word of God.

Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

You justify your actions by what the Corinthians were doing as best as you are willing to determine. Paul was writing to correct them in the ministry of the gifts of the Holy Spirit not to commend them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

I had an acquaintance years ago who we'll call 'Bob', friend of a friend kind of thing. I didn't know much about him but I knew he was mad at God. He and his girlfriend had been considering becoming Christians, but before they could decide she died. Bob was angry that, if there was a God, He would take her before she had made a decision.

So one night I'm alone praying and my prayers come to Bob. So I pray in English, Lord, I lift up Bob, and his anger and yadayadayada everything I know to pray about Bob, in English.

But then, my mind and heart stay on Bob, but I start praying in my tongue. And while I'm doing that I get this vision of these legions of angels rushing into a cave or tunnel ... One after another after another after another ... flying into this cave.

The next time I talked to Bob, I told him about this vision. He got silent, then said his girlfriend had died in a car wreck under a freeway bridge. I said maybe he shouldn't be so sure she hadn't decided.

And while I only talked to him once after that, I'm pretty sure he took that message to heart.





Pray in your understanding.

Pray in the Spirit, and receive understanding.

Intercede directly with something you have no earthly knowledge of

Be edified by the humble use of yourself to edify another.







Now, Roger, I advise you to consider the lessons of Mark 3 and Luke 12, and THINK VERY CAREFULLY before you respond.

Your scripture does not relate to your story. Your story cannot be verified and there are many of these types of stories of equal value where there was no prayer in tongues. You are convinced as so it goes but that does not make what you do biblically sound. Dreams according to Joel are for Israel in the end times.

Scripture says that the fervent effectual prayer of the righteous availeth much.

Jas 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

I am prepared to be judged by the word of God.

Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

You justify your actions by what the Corinthians were doing as best as you are willing to determine. Paul was writing to correct them in the ministry of the gifts of the Holy Spirit not to commend them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

well don't worry I will not banned you to make you a CC Martyr,
I have taken no actions not did any actions I am only speaking of the topic OP. That right Puyal was writing to Correct them Not do away with them. And will will be judges and give an account of every word we have spoken. The record will show that CS1 has been corrected and does admit it. Those who ave never been corrected and think they need none will to give an account of that.

 

[Dino246]

Then you will permit me the same liberty. You cannot deny the obvious nor should you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I have defended mine. I'm waiting on you to defend yours.

 

[yellowcanary]

You missed the implication that your point is irrelevant to my challenge to Roger. Your snark is misplaced. Jesus and the disciples proved their claims by their actions; Roger can't do that.

Roger is not the one claiming to operate in the miraculous gift of tongues ... and speaking in tongues during the apostolic era was just that ... miraculous. It is yourself and others who make this claim. This is what I mean by misplacing the burden of proof ...i.e... insisting that proof be laid upon the one not making any claim(s). They have no claim to prove.

 

[shrume]

Roger is not the one claiming to operate in the miraculous gift of tongues ... and speaking in tongues during the apostolic era was just that ... miraculous. It is yourself and others who make this claim. This is what I mean by misplacing the burden of proof ...i.e... insisting that proof be laid upon the one not making any claim(s). They have no claim to prove.

Speaking in tongues is done through the power of the Holy Spirit, but it is not a miracle. Any Christian can do it, and God would like all Christians to do it (1 Cor 14:5).

 

[CS1]

Roger is not the one claiming to operate in the miraculous gift of tongues ... and speaking in tongues during the apostolic era was just that ... miraculous. It is yourself and others who make this claim. This is what I mean by misplacing the burden of proof ...i.e... insisting that proof be laid upon the one not making any claim(s). They have no claim to prove.

No again none has to prove to you anything it has already been agreed on that the Gifts of the Holy are for today You just have not seen it . And it is not up to us to prove it to you. We say we have seen or have operated in the gift you want one to demonstrate a gifts. That would be abuse of the gift for show and you know that. So it is safe for you to ask that If we do you attack as false and mock , if we don't then it is just claim . LOL know the game well .

 

[Noose]

1 Cor 14:
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

This is one wrong that the Corinthians were doing. 1 & 2nd Corinthians is a correction letter not a praising letter- so don't take the highlighted wrongs and say Paul recommends.

 

[Noose]

well don't worry I will not banned you to make you a CC Martyr,
I have taken no actions not did any actions I am only speaking of the topic OP. That right Puyal was writing to Correct them Not do away with them. And will will be judges and give an account of every word we have spoken. The record will show that CS1 has been corrected and does admit it. Those who ave never been corrected and think they need none will to give an account of that.

The opposite is also true.

 

[garee]

Perhaps you would consider this topic in light of the verse I have put forth: Jude 20.

I would offer. Yes as a representative glory... ourselves the whole body, not oneself as if one had something to boast about like the man in Mathew 7. Christ called him a self righteous worker of inequity.

For what does any believer have that he has not freely received from God. And if he has.... why would he look to edify his own self?

God makes one man differ from another .He is not served by human hands.... the temporal things seen .

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Jude 1

 

[garee]

1 Cor 14:
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

I would suggest He is not setting his approval on those who are self righteous anymore that he did with Thomas using him as a example of faithlessness. (no faith) The Catholics use Thomas as there example of approval of those who do walk by sight as if the kingdom of God does come by observation . Both examples teach faithlessness . God will not forget the love we have shown towards Him .

John 20:27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

 

[shrume]

This is one wrong that the Corinthians were doing. 1 & 2nd Corinthians is a correction letter not a praising letter- so don't take the highlighted wrongs and say Paul recommends.

This is a statement of fact.

1 Cor 14:
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

So is this:

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

 

[shrume]

I would suggest He is not setting his approval on those who are self righteous anymore that he did with Thomas using him as a example of faithlessness. (no faith) The Catholics use Thomas as there example of approval of those who do walk by sight as if the kingdom of God does come by observation . Both examples teach faithlessness . God will not forget the love we have shown towards Him .

John 20:27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

Edifying yourself does not mean you are wanting to be self righteous.

 

[Dino246]

Roger is not the one claiming to operate in the miraculous gift of tongues ... and speaking in tongues during the apostolic era was just that ... miraculous. It is yourself and others who make this claim. This is what I mean by misplacing the burden of proof ...i.e... insisting that proof be laid upon the one not making any claim(s). They have no claim to prove.

This post shows that you aren't familiar with structured logic... as many aren't. When someone makes a claim, it is required of that person to support their claim. Otherwise we would have people running around saying, "The moon is made of green cheese... prove me wrong!" I have no need to prove anyone else's claim 'wrong'; it is on them to prove it 'right'. Roger made a specific claim, and I challenged him to support it.

By the way, you have now made a claim... that I claim to operate in the gift of tongues. It is now on you to support that claim. Of course, I don't expect that you will even try. It is far more likely that you will brush off any responsibility to support your claims and will continue tossing around unfounded accusations.

 

[Dino246]

I would offer. Yes as a representative glory... ourselves the whole body, not oneself as if one had something to boast about like the man in Mathew 7. Christ called him a self righteous worker of inequity.

For what does any believer have that he has not freely received from God. And if he has.... why would he look to edify his own self?

God makes one man differ from another .He is not served by human hands.... the temporal things seen .

But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Jude 1

You seem to start with "edifying self is bad" and then attempt to prove it by saying it is self-righteous to do so. I start with Jude's statement which, in context, makes "building up yourselves" a good thing.

 

[garee]

You seem to start with "edifying self is bad" and then attempt to prove it by saying it is self-righteous to do so. I start with Jude's statement which, in context, makes "building up yourselves" a good thing.

Again edifying self as in one is bad. Edifying God as a whole body (everyone) used as a representive glory, is good .

 

[yellowcanary]

This post shows that you aren't familiar with structured logic... as many aren't. When someone makes a claim, it is required of that person to support their claim. Otherwise we would have people running around saying, "The moon is made of green cheese... prove me wrong!" I have no need to prove anyone else's claim 'wrong'; it is on them to prove it 'right'. Roger made a specific claim, and I challenged him to support it.

Or .. we'd have people running around saying they speak a heavenly language, right ? Do you speak in tongues Dino ? Is it an angelic/heavenly language ? Clarify your muddled position, if you will. You consistently leave your door open a crack on both sides of the fence. Why is that ? I suspect it's because you simply enjoy debating. Stating a firm belief on a matter is secondary to someone like you. Otherwise, you would have done so long ago. You can't be taken seriously. You remind me of a highschool kid practicing his recently learned Basic Debating Skills 101 lesson. Cut the nonsense and state your position ... if you even have one. I won't hold my breath. Incidentally, you're light years behind me on the structured logic equation. If you even had a semblance of understanding of the things I've been posting on this thread recently, you'd be embarrassed by this last post of yours. But carry on.

 

[Noose]

This is a statement of fact.

1 Cor 14:
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

So is this:

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

Nope.
This, is a statement of fact:

1 Cor 12:7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

 

[calibob]

Nope.
This, is a statement of fact:

1 Cor 12:7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

Sorry, you'r both right. The Bible is NEVER wrong!

 

[calibob]

the New testament is mainly narratives and letters it should be used as such and verses sholdn't be picked apart disected and used like a catholic prayer book, example; 'Judas went and hanged himself' 'Go ye and do likewise!' lol.