God created everything "very good" Gen 1:31. Man made himself a sinner not God.
Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?
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jaybird88
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what is heresy? are you saying to call Jesus a man like the rest of us is heresy? if so doesnt the bible call Him a man several times?
It is heresy to call Jesus a Man with a sin nature, just like every other man. That would automatically make Him a sinner, not the Savior.
This thread is totally nonsensical and promotes heresy.
Jesus is God, and God is Light, in whom THERE IS NO DARKNESS AT ALL. To suggest that the God-Man has a sin nature like all other men is to promote heresy.
Jesus could not be the Savior unless He was totally sinless (which means the absence of the sin nature). And I have posted several verses already to support that. Perhaps it is time for you to now admit that you are way off base, and need to get a proper understanding of Christ.
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jaybird88
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but all men, according to this doctrine, have this sin nature, so if He didnt have the sin nature how could He have been a man?
You need to prove that Jesus did not have our fallen human sin nature...FROM SCRIPTURE! Ranting that Jesus was sinnless is a strawman. I never claimed that Jesus sinned.
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That is nonsensical....man does not have the power of Christ...there are many differences in Christ and man.
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jaybird88
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So when scripture says very plainly He is a man, it's nonsense to believe He is a man?
As for His humanity there was no difference between Jesus and us except for He never sinned :
For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:17 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/heb.2.17.NIV
You cherry pick translations to try to prove your point. Not honest. Here's what it literally says
From which he owed according to all to be likened to the brethren, that he should become a merciful and faithful high priest in the things towards God, so as to atone the sins of the people. Hebrews 2:17
This word means similar, not exactly.
G3666 ὁμοιόω homoioo (hom-oy-oh'-o) v.
1. to assimilate, i.e. compare
2. (passively) to become similar
[from G3664]
G3664 ὅμοιος homoios (hom'-oy-os) adj.
1. similar (in appearance or character)
Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words
1. homoioo (ὁμοιόω, 3666), “to make like” (akin to A, No. 1), is used (a) especially in the parables, with the significance of comparing, “likening,” or, in the passive voice, “being likened,” Matt. 7:24, 26; 11:16; 13:24; 18:23; 22:2 (RV, “likened”); 25:1; Mark 4:30; Luke 7:31; 13:18, RV, “liken” (KJV, “resemble”); v. 20; in several of these instances the point of resemblance is not a specific detail, but the whole circumstances of the parable; (b) of making “like,” or, in the passive voice, of being made or becoming “like,” Matt. 6:8; Acts 14:11, “in the likeness of (men),” lit., “being made like” (aorist participle, passive); Rom. 9:29; Heb. 2:17, of Christ in being “made like” unto His brethren, i.e., in partaking of human nature, apart from sin (cf. v. 14).
The Son of man indwelt by the Son of God the Spirit of Christ appeared in the flesh to be used as a one time demonstration of the lamb of God slain for the sins of the world before the foundation came into view . Christ of his own flesh declared it profited for nothing, zero.
But God who is supernatural has no nature as a beginning . He is not a man as and neither could he become a creation as work of our faithful Creator . He is our faithful Creator and therefore not a part of the things he created as a Pagan foundation... walking by sight But again demonstrated the work of his supernatural Spirit to show he put away in the flesh, the things men seen. Likened as sinful not in practice but looks or a corruptible body .
J.B. Phillips New Testament
The Law never succeeded in producing righteousness—the failure was always the weakness of human nature. But God has met this by sending his own Son Jesus Christ to live in that human nature which causes the trouble. And, while Christ was actually taking upon himself the sins of men, God condemned that sinful nature. So that we are able to meet the Law’s requirements, so long as we are living no longer by the dictates of our sinful nature, but in obedience to the promptings of the Spirit. Romans 8:3
But God who is supernatural has no nature as a beginning . He is not a man as and neither could he become a creation as work of our faithful Creator . He is our faithful Creator and therefore not a part of the things he created as a Pagan foundation... walking by sight But again demonstrated the work of his supernatural Spirit to show he put away in the flesh, the things men seen. Likened as sinful not in practice but looks or a corruptible body .
J.B. Phillips New Testament
The Law never succeeded in producing righteousness—the failure was always the weakness of human nature. But God has met this by sending his own Son Jesus Christ to live in that human nature which causes the trouble. And, while Christ was actually taking upon himself the sins of men, God condemned that sinful nature. So that we are able to meet the Law’s requirements, so long as we are living no longer by the dictates of our sinful nature, but in obedience to the promptings of the Spirit. Romans 8:3
But you cherry pick and leave out words from the translation you used. You are ignoring "all to be likened to the brethren ". That says the same thing as the modern translations I use.
I didn't cherry pick anything. That was a literal translation from the Greek. It shows what that verse actually says without the added unnecessary and wrong words that distort its meaning. "Likened to" is not the same thing as "made exactly as", as you wrongly teach.
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pjharrison
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Yes you are right. He would be her seed because she carried him in her womb.
See, there you go ignoring your own translation again. It doesn't just say "likened to", it says "all to be likened to". That means in every way Jesus was like us.
How can you be so undiscerning? It says "he owed according to all to be likened to". You're simply assuming that all includes a sin nature, contrary to basic good sense and scripture. The holy spirit departed from Adam because he had a sin nature, yet somehow you think that it dwelt in it's fullness in Christ with a sin nature. You really have drunk the kool-aid your church teaches.
Says the one who constantly quotes from a bible with a 4th grade reading level.
