Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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HeRoseFromTheDead said:
You have confused, contradictory thoughts going on. Women don't have seed; they have eggs, and soul is not flesh. And the idea that flesh is dirty comes from gnostic dualism.
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or the new testament.

1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
 
pjharrison said:
Come on now, he is a descendant of David. That's why God chose Mary and not someone from another lineage. Please don't take offence, but some of you are speaking like children. You should understand the virgin birth. He had to come in to that certain people. He is God and God alone. Mary's seed would have made him unholy. Our souls are like filthy rags. He could not have been a part of Mary. It would have made him dirty. She raised him so she was his mother. No other woman could have been his mother. He was sent to Mary.
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where do our souls come from?
 
DevotiontoBible said:
No, it isn't. I posted several Bible translations showing Jesus participated in our sinful nature too.
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So you believe Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, the Lamb of God without spot or blemish, our Redeemer, came into this world with a sinful nature.

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jb said:
It certainly IS!

I suggest you go and do a study of the Greek words in those Scriptures and not use some kind of modern lose paraphrase translation!
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I already addressed the Greek in some of those verses. Maybe you can go back a page or two and address my comments.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
Sorry, but I owe you no apology. As you can see above, Christ took the form of sinless humanity, but APPEARED TO BE in the likeness of sinful humanity.
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My post was biblical and what I said was biblical and I fully expected you to dismiss the correction and or humble yourself and get right and apologize....

Biblical--->
dcontroversal said:
He disrobed himself of the Glory he had with the father and took the form of SINFUL flesh.....

I suggest you start studying....my quote is biblical....here..I will quote the verses then you can apologize openly for not only lying, but casting doubt on the truth....pay attention and LEARN SOME TRUTH....God gave you two ears and one MOUTH for a reason....SPEND TWICE as much time LISTENING

dcontroversal said:
He disrobed himself of the Glory he had with the Father and took the form of SINFUL flesh.....


Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh

I am really sick of people mouthing like Nehemiah did against my BIBLICAL POST....YOU OWE ME AN APOLOGY PAL!!!!!
 
jb said:
LOL, absolutely NOT!

What you are peddling is a heresy!
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then please explain how Jesus was tempted just the same as we are when He, according to you, was not the same as we are. im sorry but this makes no sense at all.

you are free to call me a heretic all day long. the Nazarenes were one of the first sects labeled heretic and that was the sect of Jesus Himself.
 
jaybird88 said:
then please explain how Jesus was tempted just the same as we are when He, according to you, was not the same as we are. im sorry but this makes no sense at all.

you are free to call me a heretic all day long. the Nazarenes were one of the first sects labeled heretic and that was the sect of Jesus Himself.
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I don't know of any "heresy" label being put on anyone sayng Jesus had the same sinful nature as everyone else born in the human race throughout the history of the church.
 
shrume said:
So you believe Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, the Lamb of God without spot or blemish, our Redeemer, came into this world with a sinful nature.

What's wrong with this picture?
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It would seem someone is refusing to "mix faith" in what they do hear coming from the scriptures. God is not a man as us. He remains without nature

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:Romans 8:3
 
garee said:
It would seem someone is refusing to "mix faith" in what they do hear coming from the scriptures. God is not a man as us. He remains without nature

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:Romans 8:3
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Now that is heresy to say Jesus was not very man of very man.
 
DevotiontoBible said:
If He didn't then how could this be true?:

Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested.
Hebrews 2:17‭-‬18 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.2.17-18.NLT
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Likely it is a translation error . The, "made in every respect like us"
Or, if not that, perhaps it is because Paul did not know Jesus' divine origin. 1Timothy 2:5 For there is only one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity--the man Christ Jesus.
 
DevotiontoBible said:
If He didn't then how could this be true?:

Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested.
Hebrews 2:17‭-‬18 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.2.17-18.NLT
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D...,

Christ was given a mission on earth. He also was given the power...as needed...to resist, avoid and overcome sin. That was a difference with you and I.
 
jaybird88 said:
then please explain how Jesus was tempted just the same as we are when He, according to you, was not the same as we are. im sorry but this makes no sense at all.

you are free to call me a heretic all day long. the Nazarenes were one of the first sects labeled heretic and that was the sect of Jesus Himself.
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Your first premise, that a human is born with a "sinful nature" is wrong, it is only AFTER sinning that the individual's nature becomes sinful! Isaiah 53v6, Ezek 18 (all), Matt 19v14.

You have swallowed the error of Augustine, which is NOT what the early Church believed.

So Christ came into this world like any other child and was tempted in ALL points like as we are, but because He did not sin, He did NOT partake of a sinful nature! Heb 2v14-18, 4v15, Luke 2v40,52.
 
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