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I am sorry you feel deceived. In post 67205 the first thing I said to you was that I was a devout Catholic. justforcatholics.org is not a Catholic website but an anti-Catholic site. The walls of Catholic doctrine I posted was to show you why I was a devout Catholic. I expected you to respond with arguments why my interpretation was incorrect. This is a Bible discussion forum. All I see are disputes over scripture. Speaking of deception you said you were a former Catholic but from what you wrote you just had a few Catholic relatives. I do not think you have ever believed a Catholic doctrine in your life so I do not know why you call yourself a former Catholic.
I have some amazing Catholic friends, who believe in Jesus.
The problem is the mix.
I won't go into the details, but you remember I have told you about my Foster Dad.
Anyway when he died and I traveled hundreds of miles to sort out his funeral and estate a good Catholic friend of mine was the only one who contacted me.
He said he was thinking of me, and praying for me.
Now here is the mix. I was truly amazed by what he did but here is the mix.
He went to Ireland, to his church, lit a candle and prayed to Mary.
I was so blessed by his thoughts and efforts and his intention but praying to Mary for me?
Over here we have a radio show where they have a pause for thought.
Normally the same people from different religions.
There is a lovely Catholic priest Brian D'Arcy.
Such a gentle man, who makes a lot of sense.
But when such a man says as he did "That the Holy Mother Mary opens the back door to heaven for those with good intentions"
I ask myself "Really"
I even went to a Catholic secondary school for my last two years of my secondary school.
So as you say to me I happen to reject the doctrine of pray to Mary as a false doctrine,
Along with having to be water baptised to be saved.
I know you believe that one is saved by baptism along with works, and forgiveness of every sin committed against us, yet you make a provision for your belief but not for those who do not have your belief.
I would say part of your rejection of ES or OSAS in part relates to baptism.
Yet you are happy to agree to disagree with a so called brother, but then stand by your belief that baptism saves, if that's the case why call them a brother?
So I would just like to ask.
If someone places genuine faith in Jesus, they tell you this.
Are they then saved?
If you say yes then they are saved, Yes?
Now given your thoughts on baptism.
If they die before being baptised for whatever reason then they are not saved.
So were they ever saved in the first place?
So does baptism save us.
I know you have talked about your son.
And I know it's dear to your heart, walked away from his faith.
It has broken your heart, and you feel a deep pain.
Was he christened as an infant.
Was he bapised as an adult?
The problem is the mix.
I won't go into the details, but you remember I have told you about my Foster Dad.
Anyway when he died and I traveled hundreds of miles to sort out his funeral and estate a good Catholic friend of mine was the only one who contacted me.
He said he was thinking of me, and praying for me.
Now here is the mix. I was truly amazed by what he did but here is the mix.
He went to Ireland, to his church, lit a candle and prayed to Mary.
I was so blessed by his thoughts and efforts and his intention but praying to Mary for me?
Over here we have a radio show where they have a pause for thought.
Normally the same people from different religions.
There is a lovely Catholic priest Brian D'Arcy.
Such a gentle man, who makes a lot of sense.
But when such a man says as he did "That the Holy Mother Mary opens the back door to heaven for those with good intentions"
I ask myself "Really"
I even went to a Catholic secondary school for my last two years of my secondary school.
So as you say to me I happen to reject the doctrine of pray to Mary as a false doctrine,
Along with having to be water baptised to be saved.
I know you believe that one is saved by baptism along with works, and forgiveness of every sin committed against us, yet you make a provision for your belief but not for those who do not have your belief.
I would say part of your rejection of ES or OSAS in part relates to baptism.
Yet you are happy to agree to disagree with a so called brother, but then stand by your belief that baptism saves, if that's the case why call them a brother?
So I would just like to ask.
If someone places genuine faith in Jesus, they tell you this.
Are they then saved?
If you say yes then they are saved, Yes?
Now given your thoughts on baptism.
If they die before being baptised for whatever reason then they are not saved.
So were they ever saved in the first place?
So does baptism save us.
I know you have talked about your son.
And I know it's dear to your heart, walked away from his faith.
It has broken your heart, and you feel a deep pain.
Was he christened as an infant.
Was he bapised as an adult?
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Why would a born again Christian have have to know about Luther?
A born again Christian has to know about Jesus.
How many people have you led to Jesus that knows about Luther?
If he is your hero go with it.
But Jesus is my hero.
Many denomination has treaded of the biblical Gospel.
That's why we have all these disagreements on this thread.
A born again Christian has to know about Jesus.
How many people have you led to Jesus that knows about Luther?
If he is your hero go with it.
But Jesus is my hero.
Many denomination has treaded of the biblical Gospel.
That's why we have all these disagreements on this thread.
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First tell us your Church denomination, is it Catholic? This quote above looks like you are familiar with Catholic doctrines and you have mentioned the Catholic Church in your posts supporting their doctrines.
Quote: "You know that you do not have to be Catholic, 'to believe some of their doctrines."
Are you Catholic benhur? Stand up for Jesus!
Quote: "You know that you do not have to be Catholic, 'to believe some of their doctrines."
Are you Catholic benhur? Stand up for Jesus!
No I did not say any of these things, the author of the article you sent me did, not me
Quote from post #67205
Quote#1, "I'm a former Catholic (this was a quote from the link and article "you" provided, not from me.
Quote#2, but I am not an anti-Catholic, again this was a quote from the link and article you provided;
Why would I quote myself these things that were said were not from me they were said by the author of the website that I quoted......he said these things not me, that's why I added the "Quote"
And I presupposed that you already read the article, wow!
I did not say any of the things you said that I said, and this conversation is over, end of story.
Quote from post #67205
Quote#1, "I'm a former Catholic (this was a quote from the link and article "you" provided, not from me.
Quote#2, but I am not an anti-Catholic, again this was a quote from the link and article you provided;
Why would I quote myself these things that were said were not from me they were said by the author of the website that I quoted......he said these things not me, that's why I added the "Quote"
And I presupposed that you already read the article, wow!
I did not say any of the things you said that I said, and this conversation is over, end of story.
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Again, BillG it may be way of base for you, but I was not responding to you, I was responding to TT.
"Baptism" is like 'believing", if you do what you are supposed to do, then the ordinance of baptism will save you, just like the doctrine of believing will save you. But if you do not what you are supposed to do, then the ordinance of baptism will not save you, nor will believing in Jesus save you.
My son was christened as a child and then baptized when he was older.
"Baptism" is like 'believing", if you do what you are supposed to do, then the ordinance of baptism will save you, just like the doctrine of believing will save you. But if you do not what you are supposed to do, then the ordinance of baptism will not save you, nor will believing in Jesus save you.
My son was christened as a child and then baptized when he was older.