gay bashing

[Seedz]

I disagree, Judah was Jacobs 4th son monotheism is way older than that, I doubt if Noah ever heard of a jew.

Well if you want to go back that far, of course Jew isn't the right word, plus that would take us to a point that can't be analyzed historically.

But assuming that everything happened as written, it is safe to say that the relationship between man and God in Noah's day went much further than religion. It seemed like a more tangible and direct relationship. I was talking about the time of Moses, the law, etc..

 

[Seedz]

Being that the English translations are the only ones I can read, I won't dispute with you. It wouldn't be the first time people who didn't know what they were talking about taught people who didn't know any better. Maybe you're right! But do you beleive that the bible is the word of God? Although transcripts have been lost modified and mis-translated.

Don't take my word for it. You can look into it if you want.

I used to think the canon was the inherent and complete word of God. Now I highly doubt that, only because I have taken the red pill.

But seriously, what really pushed me to doubt is the fact that there are so many Christianities and not just 1. How could so many versions arise from the supposed objective Godly text that we allegedly have?

 

[calibob]

My uncle is gay. Gays can be some of the sweetest people you'll ever meet, just like anyone else. Homosexuality gives off a particular "sense" that is unhealthy and, for a lack of better words, "dark"? This certainly doesn't mean that I hate them. What I can say is that I am concerned for them, but at the same time I know that it isn't 100% true because if I'm not living that particular lifestyle, I feel like it doesn't even concern me and I am best to put it out of my mind. Is this not OK? (Honestly and openly asking. I don't know.)

I only posted this string to stimulate intelligent conversation between "Christians", as a test to see if I would subscribe or donate to CC, it could have just as easily been about women bashing, racism, political polarization, rock music, nationalism or a 100 other things I can mention off of the top of my head that bother me. It just came to the top of my head over something I had heard on you tube. I didn't want to get involved here if it were full of angry biggots, which it's not. Most of the comments and reactions were positive. There were a few that got very offended, and some gays too that were happy I sort of stuck up for them. I'm not gay but other peoples sex life has no effect on me. I care, I want them to get saved and stop treating human bodies like toys. That covers a broad spectrum of sins, including lying or bearing false witness because it polutes body and soul as well.

This string has been going for 41 days now, thanks for pitching in your 2 cents, [do people still say that?] I especially appreciate that you have level common sense and don't let fear, or hatred cause you to sin. The Roman/Greco world was full of pan sexuals and if you notice Jesus didn't ridicule or single them out. Keep loving your uncle, it may save his soul and his life.

 

[calibob]

Don't take my word for it. You can look into it if you want.

I used to think the canon was the inherent and complete word of God. Now I highly doubt that, only because I have taken the red pill.

But seriously, what really pushed me to doubt is the fact that there are so many Christianities and not just 1. How could so many versions arise from the supposed objective Godly text that we allegedly have?

By corrupt minds of corrupt men, power, influence and money.

 

[Seedz]

By corrupt minds of corrupt men, power, influence and money.

Right, and how can we tell what is the "right" way? Why hasn't God struck these farces down?

 

[calibob]

Right, and how can we tell what is the "right" way? Why hasn't God struck these farces down?

I don't know.

 

[preston39]

who's j?

It is not you!!

 

[preston39]

Hitler you are playing games.

I apologize. I miss understood you. I was under the impression you were replying to my question.

Forgiven...no problem.

 

[preston39]

Right, and how can we tell what is the "right" way? Why hasn't God struck these farces down?

S...,

A righteous Christian will let you ask Him.....ok?

 

[Deade]

My uncle is gay. Gays can be some of the sweetest people you'll ever meet, just like anyone else. Homosexuality gives off a particular "sense" that is unhealthy and, for a lack of better words, "dark"? This certainly doesn't mean that I hate them. What I can say is that I am concerned for them, but at the same time I know that it isn't 100% true because if I'm not living that particular lifestyle, I feel like it doesn't even concern me and I am best to put it out of my mind. Is this not OK? (Honestly and openly asking. I don't know.)

Yes Candie, gays can be very charismatic and are usually intelligent. Should you be concerned? If you had children and they were being recruited by gays, would that bother you? Especially knowing that this delusion about being unable to stop being gay, has led to many suicides. Would you want that you your kids?

 

[Deade]

Right, and how can we tell what is the "right" way? Why hasn't God struck these farces down?

Seedz, since you are now a professed non-Christian what is your agenda here. I think you are just trying to sow discord among believers. Am I right?

 

[preston39]

My uncle is gay. Gays can be some of the sweetest people you'll ever meet, just like anyone else. Homosexuality gives off a particular "sense" that is unhealthy and, for a lack of better words, "dark"? This certainly doesn't mean that I hate them. What I can say is that I am concerned for them, but at the same time I know that it isn't 100% true because if I'm not living that particular lifestyle, I feel like it doesn't even concern me and I am best to put it out of my mind. Is this not OK? (Honestly and openly asking. I don't know.)

C...,

We must reject ....hatred.....in any case. How did that.... infusion .... make it into this picture of discussion?

We cannot violate G-d's commandments and call our selves a Christian.

 

[CandieM]

I only posted this string to stimulate intelligent conversation between "Christians", as a test to see if I would subscribe or donate to CC, it could have just as easily been about women bashing, racism, political polarization, rock music, nationalism or a 100 other things I can mention off of the top of my head that bother me. It just came to the top of my head over something I had heard on you tube. I didn't want to get involved here if it were full of angry biggots, which it's not. Most of the comments and reactions were positive. There were a few that got very offended, and some gays too that were happy I sort of stuck up for them. I'm not gay but other peoples sex life has no effect on me. I care, I want them to get saved and stop treating human bodies like toys. That covers a broad spectrum of sins, including lying or bearing false witness because it polutes body and soul as well.

This string has been going for 41 days now, thanks for pitching in your 2 cents, [do people still say that?] I especially appreciate that you have level common sense and don't let fear, or hatred cause you to sin. The Roman/Greco world was full of pan sexuals and if you notice Jesus didn't ridicule or single them out. Keep loving your uncle, it may save his soul and his life.

Yeah, I can see that I'm particularly open-minded about gay people. Homosexuality is not healthy and it's not OK because the Bible says so. There is a difference between a person and their sin. To hate sin doesn't mean to hate people ... and I can't say I "hate" the sin of homosexuality because I don't feel that level of aversion to it ... but I do think it is parasitic. It's not OK ... so I hope that everyone here can be OK with me knowing that it's not OK without me feeling a violent level of aversion to it. "Hate" is a strong word. Hate is what I've felt in my life in other areas and I don't want to feel hatred ever again, but I won't deny that I'm capable of it. To be against something is all I'm OK with, but not hatred.

Yes Candie, gays can be very charismatic and are usually intelligent. Should you be concerned? If you had children and they were being recruited by gays, would that bother you? Especially knowing that this delusion about being unable to stop being gay, has led to many suicides. Would you want that you your kids?

My kids will likely be adopted, if I ever give birth. That said, I want nothing to do with babies/kids. I have my own personal reasons for not liking kids. Do I want them to be gay? No, of course not. One reason is that they will be hated, but the other reason is that it's a parasitic way of life. Of course I don't condone homosexuality. At the same time, I won't fall prey to hatred either. That isn't helpful if you want to help a gay person. Again, a person is a person and sin is sin.

Many types of people can be charismatic and intelligent. It doesn't mean that I should hate them.

I can't speak on whether or not someone can stop being gay. Christ can change any person's heart. There is no argument against that. All I'm saying is that since I have no personal experience as being a gay person, I can't speak towards that particular experience. Sex isn't even something I really like ... so while this thread may not even be for me ... it is about people who are gay and they exist in the lives of Christians as well. Will my uncle ever not be gay? I have no idea. Hopefully, if Christ puts it in my heart to pray for him to no longer be gay and turn to Christ, then it will reap positive results. Other than that, all I can say is that they are people and they should be seen as people and not their sin. Seeing someone as a person does not mean condoning their sin.

There is a small level of apathy that I have for sexuality because of the fact that I'm not inclined towards it, in any way shape or form, but I do see how homosexuality afflicts people. It's unavoidable. It's a sin, and that's all there is to it. It's not OK.

C...,

We must reject ....hatred.....in any case. How did that.... infusion .... make it into this picture of discussion?

We cannot violate G-d's commandments and call our selves a Christian.

Wow, I'm not violating His commandments? Hating sin is sometimes correlated with hating the sinner. A lot of Christians do this and it's sad. The OP mentioned hating gays (if I read it correctly). Hopefully me not hating someone who is gay doesn't suddenly make me less of a Christian.
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. . . I mentioned having a gay uncle for the sake of bringing up how he's a person that God created in order to love, despite his sin. It doesn't automatically condone or erase his sin for him to be a creation of God. That's not what I'm eluding to. There are Christians who hate gays to hate gays and then there are Christians who either hate homosexuality or are against it. I don't go so far as to say I "hate" it. "Hate" is a powerful word. Unfortunately (???) I don't feel that strongly. . . . I'm sorry?

 

[Seedz]

Seedz, since you are now a professed non-Christian what is your agenda here. I think you are just trying to sow discord among believers. Am I right?

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No I am hoping someone can convince me otherwise.

I am hoping for someone to show me something new that I did not see before.

I can be a lot more direct and punctual if I wanted to sow unbelief.

 

[Deade]

Other than that, all I can say is that they are people and they should be seen as people and not their sin. Seeing someone as a person does not mean condoning their sin.

Amen to this Candie, I do not hate anyone. I don't even necessarily hate the sin they fall into, because they are usually deceived. The only sin I hate is my own. I hail from Los Angeles County so I have had exposure to gay friends. Gays make dependable trustworthy friends, when we are still worldly.

I can't say they didn't try to recruit me, but they never really pressed the issue. One time the closest friend like this was at a party and said we are going to win you over to our side. I half drunkenly said, no, your won't either. That was that, I never was approached again.

Being Christian, I don't think a friendship is really possible with gays. I worked with some in San Francisco, but I couldn't call them friends. They are very worldly. Since turning Christian, I am not.

 

[calibob]

Yeah, I can see that I'm particularly open-minded about gay people. Homosexuality is not healthy and it's not OK because the Bible says so. There is a difference between a person and their sin. To hate sin doesn't mean to hate people ... and I can't say I "hate" the sin of homosexuality because I don't feel that level of aversion to it ... but I do think it is parasitic. It's not OK ... so I hope that everyone here can be OK with me knowing that it's not OK without me feeling a violent level of aversion to it. "Hate" is a strong word. Hate is what I've felt in my life in other areas and I don't want to feel hatred ever again, but I won't deny that I'm capable of it. To be against something is all I'm OK with, but not hatred.



My kids will likely be adopted, if I ever give birth. That said, I want nothing to do with babies/kids. I have my own personal reasons for not liking kids. Do I want them to be gay? No, of course not. One reason is that they will be hated, but the other reason is that it's a parasitic way of life. Of course I don't condone homosexuality. At the same time, I won't fall prey to hatred either. That isn't helpful if you want to help a gay person. Again, a person is a person and sin is sin.

Many types of people can be charismatic and intelligent. It doesn't mean that I should hate them.

I can't speak on whether or not someone can stop being gay. Christ can change any person's heart. There is no argument against that. All I'm saying is that since I have no personal experience as being a gay person, I can't speak towards that particular experience. Sex isn't even something I really like ... so while this thread may not even be for me ... it is about people who are gay and they exist in the lives of Christians as well. Will my uncle ever not be gay? I have no idea. Hopefully, if Christ puts it in my heart to pray for him to no longer be gay and turn to Christ, then it will reap positive results. Other than that, all I can say is that they are people and they should be seen as people and not their sin. Seeing someone as a person does not mean condoning their sin.

There is a small level of apathy that I have for sexuality because of the fact that I'm not inclined towards it, in any way shape or form, but I do see how homosexuality afflicts people. It's unavoidable. It's a sin, and that's all there is to it. It's not OK.


Wow, I'm not violating His commandments? Hating sin is sometimes correlated with hating the sinner. A lot of Christians do this and it's sad. The OP mentioned hating gays (if I read it correctly). Hopefully me not hating someone who is gay doesn't suddenly make me less of a Christian.
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. . . I mentioned having a gay uncle for the sake of bringing up how he's a person that God created in order to love, despite his sin. It doesn't automatically condone or erase his sin for him to be a creation of God. That's not what I'm eluding to. There are Christians who hate gays to hate gays and then there are Christians who either hate homosexuality or are against it. I don't go so far as to say I "hate" it. "Hate" is a powerful word. Unfortunately (???) I don't feel that strongly. . . . I'm sorry?

I started this string, it wasn't about being gay, It was about being a gay basher. most of them feel very bad inside, their suicide and alcoholism rates are sky high. They put on a big show to pretend they are ok, what they really need is kindness, but many just don't have it inside of us to be kind to those who do things we hate.

 

[CandieM]

Amen to this Candie, I do not hate anyone. I don't even necessarily hate the sin they fall into, because they are usually deceived. The only sin I hate is my own. I hail from Los Angeles County so I have had exposure to gay friends. Gays make dependable trustworthy friends, when we are still worldly.

I can't say they didn't try to recruit me, but they never really pressed the issue. One time the closest friend like this was at a party and said we are going to win you over to our side. I half drunkenly said, no, your won't either. That was that, I never was approached again.

Being Christian, I don't think a friendship is really possible with gays. I worked with some in San Francisco, but I couldn't call them friends. They are very worldly. Since turning Christian, I am not.

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I can't argue there. I don't even have friends. I'm not sure if I want any, either. At this point, I don't really care.

I started this string, it wasn't about being gay, It was about being a gay basher. most of them feel very bad inside, their suicide and alcoholism rates are sky high. They put on a big show to pretend they are ok, what they really need is kindness, but many just don't have it inside of us to be kind to those who do things we hate.

I read the word "hate". I was responding to that part because hatred is a part of gay bashing.

 

[Seedz]

Yeah, I can see that I'm particularly open-minded about gay people. Homosexuality is not healthy and it's not OK because the Bible says so. There is a difference between a person and their sin. To hate sin doesn't mean to hate people ... and I can't say I "hate" the sin of homosexuality because I don't feel that level of aversion to it ... but I do think it is parasitic. It's not OK ... so I hope that everyone here can be OK with me knowing that it's not OK without me feeling a violent level of aversion to it. "Hate" is a strong word. Hate is what I've felt in my life in other areas and I don't want to feel hatred ever again, but I won't deny that I'm capable of it. To be against something is all I'm OK with, but not hatred.



My kids will likely be adopted, if I ever give birth. That said, I want nothing to do with babies/kids. I have my own personal reasons for not liking kids. Do I want them to be gay? No, of course not. One reason is that they will be hated, but the other reason is that it's a parasitic way of life. Of course I don't condone homosexuality. At the same time, I won't fall prey to hatred either. That isn't helpful if you want to help a gay person. Again, a person is a person and sin is sin.

Many types of people can be charismatic and intelligent. It doesn't mean that I should hate them.

I can't speak on whether or not someone can stop being gay. Christ can change any person's heart. There is no argument against that. All I'm saying is that since I have no personal experience as being a gay person, I can't speak towards that particular experience. Sex isn't even something I really like ... so while this thread may not even be for me ... it is about people who are gay and they exist in the lives of Christians as well. Will my uncle ever not be gay? I have no idea. Hopefully, if Christ puts it in my heart to pray for him to no longer be gay and turn to Christ, then it will reap positive results. Other than that, all I can say is that they are people and they should be seen as people and not their sin. Seeing someone as a person does not mean condoning their sin.

There is a small level of apathy that I have for sexuality because of the fact that I'm not inclined towards it, in any way shape or form, but I do see how homosexuality afflicts people. It's unavoidable. It's a sin, and that's all there is to it. It's not OK.


Wow, I'm not violating His commandments? Hating sin is sometimes correlated with hating the sinner. A lot of Christians do this and it's sad. The OP mentioned hating gays (if I read it correctly). Hopefully me not hating someone who is gay doesn't suddenly make me less of a Christian.
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. . . I mentioned having a gay uncle for the sake of bringing up how he's a person that God created in order to love, despite his sin. It doesn't automatically condone or erase his sin for him to be a creation of God. That's not what I'm eluding to. There are Christians who hate gays to hate gays and then there are Christians who either hate homosexuality or are against it. I don't go so far as to say I "hate" it. "Hate" is a powerful word. Unfortunately (???) I don't feel that strongly. . . . I'm sorry?

I'm just curious as to what you mean by "parasitic"?

 

[Deade]

Right, and how can we tell what is the "right" way? Why hasn't God struck these farces down?

What you are saying is that errors of man have made its way into our scriptures. Granted, they have. You talk about evil corrupt men running the early churches. They have at that. You can't understand why God would allow that. See below.

No I am hoping someone can convince me otherwise.

I am hoping for someone to show me something new that I did not see before.

I can be a lot more direct and punctual if I wanted to sow unbelief.

Let's talk about this scripture than God saw fit to pass on to us. Don't you think there is enough truth still there for the Holy Spirit to lead someone into God's sphere of knowledge? This same Holy Spirit can point out the errors if you are patient enough. God will probably leave most believers with some small doctrinal errors. Why? Because God will not give His glory to anyone, we don't deserve it.

 

[Seedz]

What you are saying is that errors of man have made its way into our scriptures. Granted, they have. You talk about evil corrupt men running the early churches. They have at that. You can't understand why God would allow that. See below.



Let's talk about this scripture than God saw fit to pass on to us. Don't you think there is enough truth still there for the Holy Spirit to lead someone into God's sphere of knowledge? This same Holy Spirit can point out the errors if you are patient enough. God will probably leave most believers with some small doctrinal errors. Why? Because God will not give His glory to anyone, we don't deserve it.
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So I have to rely on the Holy Spirit, of which I am not sure what to look for, and on top of that God allowed flaws in his message so that we don't have access to his glory?

Are you saying that it is near impossible to know the truth of God because he deliberately made it impossible to do so? For the sole purpose of keeping his glory to himself?