Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

[shrume]

Here are your two false assumptions:

He could not die if He didn't have the sinful nature passed by Adam.

There is no reason to believe that.

We all sinned in Adam when he sinned because we were in his loins...including Jesus, whose mother was Mary, a descendant of Adam.

Jesus' Father is God. The seed comes from the father. Jesus did not "sin in Adam". He did not have a sin nature.

 

[shrume]

Adam didn't have a sin nature unless you are calling free will a sin nature.

He did after he sinned.

 

[pottersclay]

Jesus did not have a sin nature.
He was tempted in all ways but sinned not.
Sin is wrapped up in one statement.....pride of life.....Jesus did not have this nature. If so he would of never come in the flesh.
The will of the father was the most and is the most important thing to Christ.
We are not sinners because we sin....we sin because we're sinners.....we entertain the thoughts of it....Christ did not.

 

[Iconoclast]

Jesus never had a sinful nature, or sin in anyway. It is profane to suggest any such thing

 

[beta]

Jesus is both fully God and fully man. (Not part-God and part-man.) We say, then, that Jesus has both a "divine nature" and a "human nature." Now, human nature is not inherently sinful--that was a result of the Fall. Hence, Jesus's human nature need not be sinful. And indeed it was not. God is Goodness itself and Truth itself. Since Jesus is God, to act contrary to Truth and Goodness (to sin) would contradict his own nature.

I can agree with this . We should not confuse 'human nature with 'sinful nature as if they are one and the same.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Jesus came in the likeness of man....He was just like you and me, He had a human nature about Him, and He felt what you and I feel, especially when we are tempted, but He did NOT sin. If Christ had even entertained the thought of sin, He would have committed a sin, and therefore He would not have been the perfect sacrifice for our sins. But he never entertained the thought of sin, nor did he put Himself in the position of being subjected to sin. He was tempted many times in His life, the most notable was when He was tempted of Satan in the wilderness, but He resisted sin then, and resisted it the remainder of His days. It's hard for us to resist it, but Christ allows us to resist it through His strength and grace and mercy. Definitely do not get the holiness of Christ and His nature confused with our sinful nature.

 

[theanointedsinner]

clear and blatant "N O" to the question

I consider the question on this thread to be blasphemy

Jesus have no sin nature, he was sinless died so he can give Christians Christ-righteousness

even in Matthew 4, Jesus couldn't sin, period

 

[DevotiontoBible]

clear and blatant "N O" to the question

I consider the question on this thread to be blasphemy

Jesus have no sin nature, he was sinless died so he can give Christians Christ-righteousness

even in Matthew 4, Jesus couldn't sin, period

I never said Jesus committed sin. Read my comments please before jumping to wrong conclusions.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I can agree with this . We should not confuse 'human nature with 'sinful nature as if they are one and the same.

But they are the same. It is called the doctrine of original sin.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Jesus came in the likeness of man....He was just like you and me, He had a human nature about Him, and He felt what you and I feel, especially when we are tempted, but He did NOT sin. If Christ had even entertained the thought of sin, He would have committed a sin, and therefore He would not have been the perfect sacrifice for our sins. But he never entertained the thought of sin, nor did he put Himself in the position of being subjected to sin. He was tempted many times in His life, the most notable was when He was tempted of Satan in the wilderness, but He resisted sin then, and resisted it the remainder of His days. It's hard for us to resist it, but Christ allows us to resist it through His strength and grace and mercy. Definitely do not get the holiness of Christ and His nature confused with our sinful nature.

You need to read this:

The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.3.NLT

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Jesus is both fully God and fully man. (Not part-God and part-man.) We say, then, that Jesus has both a "divine nature" and a "human nature." Now, human nature is not inherently sinful--that was a result of the Fall. Hence, Jesus's human nature need not be sinful. And indeed it was not. God is Goodness itself and Truth itself. Since Jesus is God, to act contrary to Truth and Goodness (to sin) would contradict his own nature.

Since Jesus descended from Adam He had a fallen human nature and was subject to the curse on Adam. Why do you people ignore my points and just keep repeating your own. Please address what I have posted here. I have Scriptures but you only have philosophy.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Here are your two false assumptions:

There is no reason to believe that.


Jesus' Father is God. The seed comes from the father. Jesus did not "sin in Adam". He did not have a sin nature.

I gave the Scriptures to believe that but there is no Scripture to support what you are saying.

 

[garee]

Jesus is both fully God and fully man. (Not part-God and part-man.) We say, then, that Jesus has both a "divine nature" and a "human nature." Now, human nature is not inherently sinful--that was a result of the Fall. Hence, Jesus's human nature need not be sinful. And indeed it was not. God is Goodness itself and Truth itself. Since Jesus is God, to act contrary to Truth and Goodness (to sin) would contradict his own nature.

God is not a man as us, he is fully God. God is supernatural without nature, a beginning

 

[DevotiontoBible]

I think the one problem here with those who will not accept a Jesus with a sinful nature is due to a Calvinist understanding of total depravity. Mary was not totally depraved in the Calvinist sense:
Gabriel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, favored woman! The Lord is with you! ” Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her, “for you have found favor with God! You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus.
Luke 1:28‭-‬31 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/luk.1.28-31.NLT

Jesus was the Son of God AND the son of Mary according to the angel. It means Jesus could have the fallen nature and be acceptable and favored by God because it is a non moral condition of fallen humanity.

 

[shrume]

I think the one problem here with those who will not accept a Jesus with a sinful nature is due to a Calvinist understanding of total depravity. Mary was not totally depraved in the Calvinist sense:
Gabriel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, favored woman! The Lord is with you! ” Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her, “for you have found favor with God! You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus.
Luke 1:28‭-‬31 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/luk.1.28-31.NLT

Jesus was the Son of God AND the son of Mary according to the angel. It means Jesus could have the fallen nature and be acceptable and favored by God because it is a non moral condition of fallen humanity.

I'm not a Calvinist.

Jesus did not have a sin nature. The seed for his conception came from God, not Adam. His Father is God. Ergo, no sin nature.

 

[shrume]

Since Jesus descended from Adam He had a fallen human nature and was subject to the curse on Adam. Why do you people ignore my points and just keep repeating your own. Please address what I have posted here. I have Scriptures but you only have philosophy.

You have no scriptures saying Jesus had a sin nature.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

But they are the same. It is called the doctrine of original sin.

Which doctrine is error. Or at least your interpretation of it is.

 

[jaybird88]

clear and blatant "N O" to the question

I consider the question on this thread to be blasphemy

Jesus have no sin nature, he was sinless died so he can give Christians Christ-righteousness

even in Matthew 4, Jesus couldn't sin, period

its not blasphemy lol. people ask these things because thats exactly where the facts lead us.
the doctrine says all men have a sin nature
the bible says Jesus is a man
the bible says Jesus was tempted just the same as everyone else.
so either the bible is wrong or the doctrine is wrong.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You need to read this:

The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.3.NLT

That verse says that Christ was made in the likeness of man, not that it actually was made sinful flesh. We are made in the likeness of GOD, but we are not made GOD.

64.3 ὁμοιότης, ητος f; ὁμοίωμαa, τος n; ὁμοίωσις, εως f: the state of being similar to something—‘similarity, likeness, being similar.’
ὁμοιότης: πεπειρασμένον δὲ κατὰ πάντα καθ’ ὁμοιότητα χωρὶς ἁμαρτίας ‘but was tempted in everything in a way similar (to us) but without sin’ He 4:15; κατὰ τὴν ὁμοιότητα Μελχισέδεκ ἀνίσταται ἱερεὺς ἕτερος ‘another priest has appeared in the likeness of Melchizedek’ or ‘… similar to Melchizedek’ He 7:15.
ὁμοίωμαa: εἰ γὰρ σύμφυτοι γεγόναμεν τῷ ὁμοιώματι τοῦ θανάτου αὐτοῦ ‘for if we have become one with him in the likeness of his death’ or ‘… in dying as he died’ Ro 6:5; καὶ ἤλλαξαν τὴν δόξαν τοῦ ἀφθάρτου θεοῦ ἐν ὁμοιώματι εἰκόνος φθαρτοῦ ἀνθρώπου καὶ πετεινῶν καὶ τετραπόδων καὶ ἑρπετῶν ‘they changed the glory of the immortal God into the likeness of a mortal person and of birds, four-footed beasts, and serpents’ Ro 1:23; ἐν ὁμοιώματι ἀνθρώπων γενόμενος ‘appearing in human likeness’ or ‘coming to be like a person’ Php 2:7.
ὁμοίωσις: καταρώμεθα τοὺς α’νθρώπους τοὺς καθ̓ ὁμοίωσιν θεοῦ γεγονότας ‘we curse people who are in the likeness of God’ Jas 3:9.

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I gave the Scriptures to believe that but there is no Scripture to support what you are saying.

You give verses from a bible that is made for children and people who are barely literate.