Why Satan loves Replacement Theology
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I'm guessing you're referring to how David's throne would always have a king but we weren't talking about that now were we clever claude?
And also lo and behold I "wasn't talking to you" to call my statement "nonsensical" is to be "nonsensical" yourself because it is written that God is no "respector to persons" and if you are insisting that God's fixation "is" lineage then you are either diluded or ignorant of how many times God has "chastened" people and even "whom" Jesus was sent to die for,not kings, or high seat people but rather "sinners" no matter their "lineage".
And also lo and behold I "wasn't talking to you" to call my statement "nonsensical" is to be "nonsensical" yourself because it is written that God is no "respector to persons" and if you are insisting that God's fixation "is" lineage then you are either diluded or ignorant of how many times God has "chastened" people and even "whom" Jesus was sent to die for,not kings, or high seat people but rather "sinners" no matter their "lineage".
You remember that Abraham was still childless and in his old age. He asked God what can you give me?
Gen. 15:1-3 "After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. "
He is pointing out he has no heir apparent. Then God tells him about the many heirs he will have:
Gen. 15:4-6 "And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." That is Israel, God is talking about.
Gen. 15:1-3 "After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. "
He is pointing out he has no heir apparent. Then God tells him about the many heirs he will have:
Gen. 15:4-6 "And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." That is Israel, God is talking about.
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You remember that Abraham was still childless and in his old age. He asked God what can you give me?
Gen. 15:1-3 "After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. "
He is pointing out he has no heir apparent. Then God tells him about the many heirs he will have:
Gen. 15:4-6 "And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." That is Israel, God is talking about.
Gen. 15:1-3 "After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. "
He is pointing out he has no heir apparent. Then God tells him about the many heirs he will have:
Gen. 15:4-6 "And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness." That is Israel, God is talking about.
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Twelve is a signified word as a metaphor used in parables to hide the spiritual meaning from the lost .
It is set aside to be used to indicate the "bride of Christ" the spiritual house of God made up of many lively stones in respect to all Old testament saints in Revelation 21 as gates to the city of Christ, his eternal bride . The tribe of Dan is missing to represent those who fallback in judgment .
The twelve apostles a remnant of the 25 listed in the new testament like tribes represepent all of the born again believers on this side of the cross with Judas missing, also a sign of rebellion to those who fall backward in judgment.
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.Genesis 49:17
Like with Judas
When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.
Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.John18: 1-6
Falling back or being slain in the Spirit is a phenoinmin used today by those who seek as after a sign in a false hope of confirming they do have the Holy Spirit but like tongues it confirms the opposite .
It is set aside to be used to indicate the "bride of Christ" the spiritual house of God made up of many lively stones in respect to all Old testament saints in Revelation 21 as gates to the city of Christ, his eternal bride . The tribe of Dan is missing to represent those who fallback in judgment .
The twelve apostles a remnant of the 25 listed in the new testament like tribes represepent all of the born again believers on this side of the cross with Judas missing, also a sign of rebellion to those who fall backward in judgment.
Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.Genesis 49:17
Like with Judas
When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples. And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.
Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons. Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.John18: 1-6
Falling back or being slain in the Spirit is a phenoinmin used today by those who seek as after a sign in a false hope of confirming they do have the Holy Spirit but like tongues it confirms the opposite .
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Jesus is the True Israel[ and us In Him]....God's covenant Son...He does what the nation failed to do;
ex4;
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
The nation was only a type...
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.
5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
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22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
The nation was only a type...
3 And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
4 Then I said, I have laboured in vain, I have spent my strength for nought, and in vain: yet surely my judgment is with the Lord, and my work with my God.
5 And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee.
8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
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I would agree and add like all names that are used to describe a specific immutable attribute of God. God does have a name like us today needed to tell one from another .
Names had a meaning to them, just like Jacob usually named after or during birth ...Jacob, meaning one who literally grabs the heal of one to take advantage Used to describe when he was born, the second of the twins . Esau the first born, a word that means hairy. Israel means he who wrestles against man and God and overcomes being yoked with Christ. . Our victory made sure by Jesus, our Savior or Jehovah, our Mighty Savior.
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In Romans 9: it says this about the people of Israel: 4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption to sonship; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised![a] Amen.
Paul then explains how sorrowful he is because the so many Jews reject Christ.
In Romans 11 Paul must have seen ahead to the people who would preach replacement theology because scripture says: 11 "I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal. 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace."
Paul then explains how sorrowful he is because the so many Jews reject Christ.
In Romans 11 Paul must have seen ahead to the people who would preach replacement theology because scripture says: 11 "I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[a]? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal. 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace."
The physical things from the old testament are now spiritual in the new testament- including the laws and even the people. In the first chapter of John we see that Jesus came to His own people, they received Him not and crucified Him. So God took away their physical birthright. No longer can you be God's people by physical relation to Abraham. Both jew and gentile must be born again spiritually in order to be God's people (spiritual Israel)- which yes is Christ's church. .
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There is only one way to salvation and that's through belief in Christ. If you don't believe in him you are neither part of Israel or the Church. You are lost. That applies to Jews, Europeans, Asians or any nationality you care to mention.
He came to that which was his own but his own did not receive him
Yet to all who who received him to those who believed in his name
he gave the right to be become children of God. Children born not
of natural descent nor of human decision or a husbands will, but born
of God.
John 1:11-13 NIV
He came to that which was his own but his own did not receive him
Yet to all who who received him to those who believed in his name
he gave the right to be become children of God. Children born not
of natural descent nor of human decision or a husbands will, but born
of God.
John 1:11-13 NIV
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Oh! I beg to differ with you. The physical promise of land to Abraham, in Gen. 15, has everything to do with Israel.
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It is about Abraham and the land he was going to give ONE PARTICULAR SEED "not this child. but one which comes from your own body"
1. They will be strangers in a strange land (400 years)
2. Their fathers will return (moses lead them from that strange land)
3. and a specific plot of land promised to them....
Gen 15: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates— 19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”
Some people just will not get it.
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They never had a physical birthright into heaven. That is what Paul tried to explain in romans. and John explained quite clearly in John chapter 1.
The land promise concerning Israel has nothing to do with salvation of any person, JEW ORE GENTILE) it is a promise God axde to abraham himself
God does not break his promises. He did not break it when Isreal rebelled, however, he has punished them numerous times (Syria, Babylon, Rome) and they are still being punished, but as Paul said in rom 11. God is not done, There is still a remnant, and one day, they all will repent.
The land promise concerning Israel has nothing to do with salvation of any person, JEW ORE GENTILE) it is a promise God axde to abraham himself
God does not break his promises. He did not break it when Isreal rebelled, however, he has punished them numerous times (Syria, Babylon, Rome) and they are still being punished, but as Paul said in rom 11. God is not done, There is still a remnant, and one day, they all will repent.
They did have a physical birthright into heaven. Revelation tells us 144,000 israélites were saved from the old testament-12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel.
The promised land (the land flowing with milk and honey) was a physical representation of spiritual heaven. Have you ever heard the hymn: "To Canaan's Land I'm on my way where the soul never dies."?
God did not break His promise. He told Abraham "All nations will be blessed through you." Because through Abraham's seed came Christ, and through Christ Gentiles were given the right to become children of God- children born not of natural decent or a husbands will (not physically a Jew, but spiritually a Jew).
Abraham is now our Father, and no longer their father, unless they get baptized into Christ just like everyone else. We are grafted into their vine, and they can be grafted back into their own vine- of which they had been kicked out for killing the Son of God- Whom the scriptures foretold would come.
God switching from physical to spiritual is not breaking His promise- Abraham still has children to out number the Sands on the shore, and the stars in the sky- which would be impossible if it did not include all nations.
The promised land (the land flowing with milk and honey) was a physical representation of spiritual heaven. Have you ever heard the hymn: "To Canaan's Land I'm on my way where the soul never dies."?
God did not break His promise. He told Abraham "All nations will be blessed through you." Because through Abraham's seed came Christ, and through Christ Gentiles were given the right to become children of God- children born not of natural decent or a husbands will (not physically a Jew, but spiritually a Jew).
Abraham is now our Father, and no longer their father, unless they get baptized into Christ just like everyone else. We are grafted into their vine, and they can be grafted back into their own vine- of which they had been kicked out for killing the Son of God- Whom the scriptures foretold would come.
God switching from physical to spiritual is not breaking His promise- Abraham still has children to out number the Sands on the shore, and the stars in the sky- which would be impossible if it did not include all nations.
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If this is true, All OT jews will be in heaven, This is not true.
This is a future prophesy where 144000 new jewish missionaries will be saved, and spread out to respread the gospel. this has nothing to do wiht the OT.
God did not promise abraham and his descendents a spiritual land, he promised them a physical land, the land of canaan, Thus spiritual israel can not be the fulfillment.
God promised heaven to all people. jew and gentile in all ages, including the age of Israel (see Jonah and the great gentile city who repented at his teaching)
And they were are have been, But that has nothign to do with the land God promised HIM AND HIS PEOPLE.
Abraham is the father of anyone who will be in heaven, And your right only God can baptise us into his family (Oh wait, your talking water baptism arent you? If you are!! Heresy!
God promised multiple times in the OT and Paul reiterated that promise, and revelations confirms them
1. Isreal will be scattered all over the earth due to her sin (fulfilled 70 AD)
2. Israel will be restored when the times of the gentile has been fulfilled, when she repents and reciever her messiah
3. Israel will be side by side with all gentile nations, and all of them will worship the king, whoever does not, God will withhold rain from them for 1 year.
sorry, But scripture does not support replacement theology
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This is a future prophesy where 144000 new jewish missionaries will be saved, and spread out to respread the gospel. this has nothing to do wiht the OT.
God did not promise abraham and his descendents a spiritual land, he promised them a physical land, the land of canaan, Thus spiritual israel can not be the fulfillment.
God promised heaven to all people. jew and gentile in all ages, including the age of Israel (see Jonah and the great gentile city who repented at his teaching)
And they were are have been, But that has nothign to do with the land God promised HIM AND HIS PEOPLE.
Abraham is the father of anyone who will be in heaven, And your right only God can baptise us into his family (Oh wait, your talking water baptism arent you? If you are!!
Heresy!God promised multiple times in the OT and Paul reiterated that promise, and revelations confirms them
1. Isreal will be scattered all over the earth due to her sin (fulfilled 70 AD)
2. Israel will be restored when the times of the gentile has been fulfilled, when she repents and reciever her messiah
3. Israel will be side by side with all gentile nations, and all of them will worship the king, whoever does not, God will withhold rain from them for 1 year.
sorry, But scripture does not support replacement theology
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