That's not quite the response I was expecting. If you're being snarky, you're off base. Care to try again?
Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?
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That's not quite the response I was expecting. If you're being snarky, you're off base. Care to try again?
He emptied himself... completely... to the point that he said he was unable to do anything of himself.
No, He did not. He was referring to the judgement not to His God attributes.
I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will.
John 5:30 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/jhn.5.30.NLT
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak from myself, but the Father residing in me does his works. John 14:10
Did Jesus have the human sinful nature? No, he did not. Just as Adam did not have the "human sinful nature" UNTIL he sinned, e.g. disobedience . . . Jesus did not have the "human sinful nature" . . . nor did he acquire the "human sinful nature" . . . because he remained without sin, e.g. obedience.
Why did he die? He was the sacrificial Lamb. He gave his life so that those who believe in him could be cleansed and their sins forgiven.
Why did he die? He was the sacrificial Lamb. He gave his life so that those who believe in him could be cleansed and their sins forgiven.
The works of teaching His message. Jesus never gave up being God or gave up His Divine abilities. The kenosis simply means He did not independently use His powers apart from the direction of the Father. You must not believe in the Trinity. Jesus is 100% God and 100 % human.
He could not die if He didn't have the sinful nature passed by Adam. Jesus is a descendant of Adam and not made from another fresh lump of dust like Adam was.
Scripture please...Jesus was and always will be...His body was prepared by God in the womb of Mary (Hebrews 10:5).
Was not the sins of the whole world placed upon His body? The body of Jesus died when He gave up the ghost.
I already have provided Scripture but here it is again:
When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned.
Romans 5:12 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.5.12.NLT
Are you saying death came to Jesus because He sinned? That's what the verse is stating about Adam and man.
We all sinned in Adam when he sinned because we were in his loins...including Jesus, whose mother was Mary, a descendant of Adam.
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pjharrison
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I was trying to understand your logic and got a little confused myself, because what I think your trying to say is that Jesus had the same Stuff in him that is in us, but he did not sin. If not I think that your just trying to be different, and feel like you have come to some spiritual understanding that no one else have. And if that is the case I believe you should be careful of the spirit that you are following. Is it the Holy Spirit or a religious Spirit.
It is not my unique idea. It comes from my Systematic Theology textbook from the AOG bible college.
I like to bounce ideas from my textbook off of people in these forums to test the ideas. So far the only objection I've gotten to this idea is 'only semen contains the Adamic sin nature'. But no Scripture to back up that idea. I have Scriptures.
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pjharrison
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Alright try this: Gen: 3:4-7 In these verses the devil told Eve, your Eyes will be open. What eyes would be open; her eyes were open. Their spirit eyes were open to begin with, but the eyes of the soul were dormant. So the body followed the spirit. But when they sinned the spiritual eyes went dormant and the eyes of the soul were open. The soul governs the flesh. That's why they then realized that they were naked. So then every man and woman born on the earth, were born with the eyes of the soul open. Jesus came to correct that. He lived a life seeing through his spiritual eyes and not led by the eyes that govern the flesh. And what we have to do to live that way is to give up the life that governs the flesh (be born again). and live by the spirit.(which has no interest in pleasing the flesh).
I am starting a bbq now. I have to get back when I can analyze what you are saying. But right now I am not thinking of anything in the Bible that supports what you are saying.
Adam was created from the dust of the ground - no male "seed" was passed to him. Just as no male "seed" was attributed to Jesus. God placed the "perfect seed" in the womb of Mary so that Jesus would be born without the sin nature of every other human since the fall of Adam. Jesus was the "genetic equivalent" to the first "son of God", Adam (Luke 3:38)
Because of Adam’s sin and its consequences, only the death penalty would satisfy true justice. "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness [of sin]." (Hebrews 9:22) In the Old Testament, it was the death of unblemished lambs and other animals that God allowed to temporarily cover His people’s sins (Heb. 10:1-14). These sacrifices were foreshadows, or types, of the coming Redeemer, Jesus Christ. He is the true “Lamb of God” whose blood was shed to take away the sin of the world (John 1:29).
How could Jesus be tempted if He didn't have a nature to sin? If He came down as God and defeated sin, what would that prove to everyone. Satan said it couldn't be done. Jesus took on our sin nature and proved otherwise.
Heb. 2:16-18 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."
Heb. 2:16-18 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."
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pjharrison
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Satan didn't have a "nature to sin" - the temptation to be like God and he sinned . . . Adam didn't have a "nature to sin" - the temptation "ye shall not truly die" and he sinned . . . Jesus didn't have a "nature to sin" was tempted in all points (Hebrews 4:15) just as we are tempted yet he remained sinless - It's called "CHOICE" - obey or not obey.How could Jesus be tempted if He didn't have a nature to sin? If He came down as God and defeated sin, what would that prove to everyone. Satan said it couldn't be done. Jesus took on our sin nature and proved otherwise.
Heb. 2:16-18 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."