Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

[DevotiontoBible]

Yes you proved that he was human. What is the difference between him and us?

That is the beauty of God's plan, there is nothing different between Jesus and us as for His humanity. Therefore, He fully understands what we have to struggle with.

 

[pjharrison]

That is the beauty of God's plan, there is nothing different between Jesus and us as for His humanity. Therefore, He fully understands what we have to struggle with.

Of course he knows that. That's why he came to save us out of it.

 

[pjharrison]

Of course he knows that. That's why he came to save us out of it.

If someone has a cold nature then they get cold, if they have a hot nature then they get hot, and if they have a sinful nature then they sin.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Of course he knows that. That's why he came to save us out of it.

But if you don't have a fully 100% human like us then you are tending toward Docetic heresy of the Gnostics saying Jesus only appeared to be fully human.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

If someone has a cold nature then they get cold, if they have a hot nature then they get hot, and if they have a sinful nature then they sin.

Babies and young children have the sin nature but they don't sin. Jesus had the sin nature but He never sinned.

 

[pjharrison]

You are misunderstanding the word nature. Example: The boy has a mean nature. That mean he is mean.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

You are misunderstanding the word nature. Example: The boy has a mean nature. That mean he is mean.

It is a paradox. Jesus had a human sinful nature yet He never committed any sin. This is where human logic needs to bow to the revelation of God's Word.

 

[pjharrison]

Babies and young children have the sin nature but they don't sin. Jesus had the sin nature but He never sinned.

Babys do sin, their born into it. Have you seen a baby have a tantrum. Have you seen one get mad an throw the bottle and hit someone with it? That's not good. Their born into it.

 

[beta]

Yes you proved that he was human. What is the difference between him and us?

Jesus/Yashua had the FULL MEASURE of God's, His Father's SPIRIT and therefore the power, ability and desire/inclination to RESIST Sin......
WE DO NOT YET have this in full, not being yet perfect....we are only just 'growing into it gradually as we learn to respond in obedience.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Babys do sin, their born into it. Have you seen a baby have a tantrum. Have you seen one get mad an throw the bottle and hit someone with it? That's not good. Their born into it.

If that is a sin then tell me which Commandment says "Thou shall not get mad and throw your milk bottle"?

 

[beta]

Babys do sin, their born into it. Have you seen a baby have a tantrum. Have you seen one get mad an throw the bottle and hit someone with it? That's not good. Their born into it.

Yes, sin nature starts with SELF-WILL and is very evident in Babies/Toddlers.....as we experience when we have children. However, not all act the same (thank God). So also are ADULTS different.....some are more STUBBORN than others.

 

[pjharrison]

If that is a sin then tell me which Commandment says "Thou shall not get mad and throw your milk bottle"?

There's no commandment that says that. Babies get mad and bite, and they know what they are doing. They fight with other babies. They have not yet learn to behave properly. They have to be taught.

 

[beta]

It is a paradox. Jesus had a human sinful nature yet He never committed any sin. This is where human logic needs to bow to the revelation of God's Word.

Yes....instead of arguing we should just admit we DON'T KNOW IT ALL !!! YET !!!

 

[beta]

We talk about 'sin nature' and about 'sinful nature' - are they the same ?

 

[DevotiontoBible]

There's no commandment that says that. Babies get mad and bite, and they know what they are doing. They fight with other babies. They have not yet learn to behave properly. They have to be taught.

Then you need to prove all the aborted babies are damned to hell as sinners who never converted to Christ.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

We talk about 'sin nature' and about 'sinful nature' - are they the same ?

It is the same. It means original sin passed down in our human nature.

 

[pjharrison]

Then you need to prove all the aborted babies are damned to hell as sinners who never converted to Christ.

Their not. Those babies didn't get a chance to sin. And Jesus didn't have to be taught not to sin, but we do. He had no desire to of pleasing himself. He said I only do what I see the Father doing. And he was tempted in every way.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Yes....instead of arguing we should just admit we DON'T KNOW IT ALL !!! YET !!!

I agree we don't know it all but we can know it adequately. Heresies about the nature of the Lord have been rampant since the beginning of the church. This needs to be argued.

 

[pjharrison]

It is the same. It means original sin passed down in our human nature.

I believe they are different. Sin nature means you have a nature to sin, but sinful nature means you are all ready in sin.

 

[beta]

That is the beauty of God's plan, there is nothing different between Jesus and us as for His humanity. Therefore, He fully understands what we have to struggle with.

Yes indeed...being fully human Jesus would have had the propensity to sin as we have but He also had help not giving in to it. How can we be certain to have GOD's Holy Spirit to help ? and how much or how little of it have we really got ?