"Seedz, post: 3647412, member: 259815"]Funny thing is that never ONCE have i said that God does not exist. I KNOW there is something. I just don't know if the bible is the story of that one something.
I understand. I was saved when I was 5. was brought to church, heard about Jesus several times but just thought about it. without going into the whole thing, something happened at home that caused me to say 'God if you are real, please do such and such' He did. immediately. and so I prayed and accepted Jesus. as a 5 year old . that's just what happened but it was and is real which does not mean it has been a lovely and perfect life and I am always smiling and everyone loves me haha
Let's say that they could read. Even if so, the texts that we have are all in Greek. Not Aramaic. Are you telling me these peasants went through the trouble of learning literature and composition skills, in a language totally different and alien to their native tongue? Not only did they have to be fluent, but they had to learn to compose literary works, which as you may know, it is no easy task. They are not 4 line stories like you'd get from a picture book.
will include this with my response to your other post. when I respond to it
Not to mention that all we truly have are copies, not a single original document. All of which are from the mid second century and later. ditto
Ironically, the messiah that the Jews expect is nothing like Jesus. Isaiah 53, psalm 22, etc. never once mention the Christ, or messiah. We have ascribed those passages to fit "the messiah", in reality the actual context is far away from what we modern Christians believe them to be. It is quite laughable, I once saw a video of a dude walking around in Jerusalem, reading this passage to the Jewish people passing by in the streets, trying to see if they would realize that the Prophecy was hinting at Jesus. Poor guy, he meant well, but his ignorance is too much.
I disagree with your conclusions above. Isaiah 53 presents a Messiah who did actually show up...the Jews wanted a Messiah to kick Rome out of the local country side...especially the religious folk cause Caesar kind of cramped their 'style' people do alot of stuff to prove to others how much they believe but, my contrary thought on that, is that they might just be trying to prove their belief to themselves. I would really like to say more about all of that, but right now, I do not have time
I've read all sorts. Erhman, carrier, Loftus, But I have also read Craig, C.S. Lewis, Licona. So Yeah, I am not just sticking to one side of the argument.
hmmm...we got some real stars in that line up. I may be an exception, but Lewis is not one of my favorite authors even though alot of Christians seem to love him...
Most of the Christian apologists forget to be honest about contemporary contextual realities. They almost want us to believe that the world was the same back then as it is today, not to mention that they will avoid some topics that they know are extremely hard to reconcile.
I've heard some silly stuff myself. But in the end, Jesus either is or He is not who He says He is...and that has been said over and over but it's all any of us 'got'
God has 'proven' His reality to me in ways that I cannot deny Him.
pleased to get back later, but out of time now
thanks seedz
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