Assembling

[tourist]

So you willfully sin.
To refuse to assemble on a regular basis with other believers to study, learn, and praise God is willful disobeying the Word of God.
But it is evident you are not alone.
There are those who teach that sin leads to loss of salvation, yet they refuse to assemble.
There are those who say we must obey the Law and the commands of Jesus, yet refuse to assemble.
There are those who claim to live without sin, yet refuse to assemble.
Some of the most ridiculous excuses have been offered.

I am not surprised by those who admit they sin by not assembling. It is evident in the ridiculous questions that are asked, the foolish answers given, and the unbiblical things they teach.
This is what happens when people isolate themselves from other believers. When the rely on ONLY on their own understanding while never listening and investigating what others believe.
God never intended for us to isolate ourselves and never learn from others.

The truth that Paul spoke of in 2 Timothy 3:5-7 has come to pass. These men seem to be the majority on this forum.

How is not going to church a sin? Is there a specific verse you can provide that states that it is a sin not to go to church?

It is mentioned that we should not forsake the assembling together but I see no command from God that we absolutely have to assemble. And assemble where? Perhaps one lives in an isolated area, or is sick or confined to being at home. Maybe there isn't a bible believing church that teaches and preaches salvation.

In my own case, my current work schedule prohibits going to church as I work through the week-end. There are a lot of reasons that keep people outside of church. It is certainly not a sin but I do recommend, if possible, to not forsake, as it says in the bible, to assemble together with others. Of course, the others should be like-minded, love God and believe in the bible.

The thing is it's not always possible to assemble and in some circumstances, perhaps unwise to do so just for the sake of going to church.

Sin does not lead to loss of salvation either, but rather refusal to accept the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for the remission of sin and the absence of the Holy Spirit living inside your heart to guide you in your repentance. Sin does not lead to loss of salvation, sin leads to death. It says that in the bible somewhere.

 

[dcontroversal]

Lest we forget? There are many a home church in America. The faithful meet in the homes of the faithful. Some groups cycle the meeting as a month of worship days and then the next members house is the meeting place.
Sort of like when the Disciples met together in the upper room.
Has there ever been identified what building it was in which Jesus and his followers did convene in that upper chamber? A rich man gave his tomb so that Christ's body could be laid to rest there. Would the upper room be in a person's own home? Is there any indication of where that upper room was in the scriptures?
I don't recall seeing this mentioned which is why I ask. It is interesting though that that upper chamber could have relevance to the introduction of the idea of home churches.

Or how about the fact that Paul speaks about the church that met in Philemon's home....."the church in thy house"

 

[NayborBear]

You must be as dense as lead.....go ask everybody who knows me and what I stand for....you will see that your bolded statements above are based upon ignorance pal....get your facts straight before you mouth....I have never said nor implied the bolded above....

"YOUR point!"....(And I quote!) "My point....A man who will throw Jesus, his power, his promises and words under the bus to peddle a "LOSABLE SALVATION" cannot be expected to put much stock in assembling for the honor, praise and worship of God....."

Lemme asks ya this, if I may! Ever wonder why a group of people in the Bible, are so many times referred to as a "sea?" Or "waters?" One of the reasons is for a lack of (a) number for counting them. Another reason, and the more "pertinent" reason for this reply to you, is that "water" ALWAYS SEEKS IT OWN LEVEL! One might even consider this "seeks", as "PEER PRESSURE", as it refers to (an) "assembly of believers!" Traditions of man, just love infiltrating "bodies of believers", in their "love feasts!" (see the Book of Jude). With the sole intent, of not, to become saved (because they have been judged already), but rather, to whine/cry/petition, some sense of entitlement! "THIS", is vexation of SPIRIT! What this DOES, is "limit" spiritual growth, or maturity, to ensure that any certain assemblage of believers grows no deeper (mature) then the "stony ground!"

And although, these "angels", if you will, have been judged already, by the "Everlasting Father?" And by HIS GRACE, and FAITH from any certain believer, in "Whosoever WILL", may come to the Cross of Christ, for forgiveness of sin.....TO OBTAIN THIS FREE "GIFT" OF SALVATION! The road to spiritual maturation, does not end there! Yet, for many believers, who would rather increase their "countings" (Even King David stumbled, and fell for that!....Culprit?...the "prideful one!"), this is precisely where the road ends for them! Yet? "Salvation", is not lost, at this time! But, "spiritual maturity" is!

It is taught, that "love covers a multitude of sin!" I pray that you ask the Father to show you, what sin/s "love" doesn't cover! Or? You can wait until the Great White Throne Judgement, and see what the tally count is. THERE, is where one's "salvation" MAY be lost! (and?) Not until "then!"

Until then (and I'll use your "moniker") "pal", I'll keep right on judging angels! (hint: It will surprise/amaze you, on just how far reaching, and "influential", the reach of these "angels" is) (Psalms 110:1b)....In the hopes, I have invested well, the "talent" that I have been given!

You see? I do not conflate "works EQUALS Salvation!" I EQUATE "works EQUALS, investing "talent", EQUALS spiritual maturity!" And "that" "pal", is the difference between you and I. Even, as you also stated, everyone that knows you, as well! Or so it seems from your "retort", in a most informative post.

 

[dcontroversal]

"YOUR point!"....(And I quote!) "My point....A man who will throw Jesus, his power, his promises and words under the bus to peddle a "LOSABLE SALVATION" cannot be expected to put much stock in assembling for the honor, praise and worship of God....."

Lemme asks ya this, if I may! Ever wonder why a group of people in the Bible, are so many times referred to as a "sea?" Or "waters?" One of the reasons is for a lack of (a) number for counting them. Another reason, and the more "pertinent" reason for this reply to you, is that "water" ALWAYS SEEKS IT OWN LEVEL! One might even consider this "seeks", as "PEER PRESSURE", as it refers to (an) "assembly of believers!" Traditions of man, just love infiltrating "bodies of believers", in their "love feasts!" (see the Book of Jude). With the sole intent, of not, to become saved (because they have been judged already), but rather, to whine/cry/petition, some sense of entitlement! "THIS", is vexation of SPIRIT! What this DOES, is "limit" spiritual growth, or maturity, to ensure that any certain assemblage of believers grows no deeper (mature) then the "stony ground!"

And although, these "angels", if you will, have been judged already, by the "Everlasting Father?" And by HIS GRACE, and FAITH from any certain believer, in "Whosoever WILL", may come to the Cross of Christ, for forgiveness of sin.....TO OBTAIN THIS FREE "GIFT" OF SALVATION! The road to spiritual maturation, does not end there! Yet, for many believers, who would rather increase their "countings" (Even King David stumbled, and fell for that!....Culprit?...the "prideful one!"), this is precisely where the road ends for them! Yet? "Salvation", is not lost, at this time! But, "spiritual maturity" is!

It is taught, that "love covers a multitude of sin!" I pray that you ask the Father to show you, what sin/s "love" doesn't cover! Or? You can wait until the Great White Throne Judgement, and see what the tally count is. THERE, is where one's "salvation" MAY be lost! (and?) Not until "then!"

Until then (and I'll use your "moniker") "pal", I'll keep right on judging angels! (hint: It will surprise/amaze you, on just how far reaching, and "influential", the reach of these "angels" is) (Psalms 110:1b)....In the hopes, I have invested well, the "talent" that I have been given!

You see? I do not conflate "works EQUALS Salvation!" I EQUATE "works EQUALS, investing "talent", EQUALS spiritual maturity!" And "that" "pal", is the difference between you and I. Even, as you also stated, everyone that knows you, as well! Or so it seems from your "retort", in a most informative post.

Lemme<----Is this some kind of lemon.....and your view above makes no sense and has NO bearing on what I said....NONE, ZERO, NADA, NOTHING, NIL, ZILCH, ZERO, RIEN, NICHTS, EKKERT, XEJN, and every other word of like caliber and order....

a. I have never said salvation can be lost
b. I have never said it must be gained, kept or maintained by works
c. Have always said it is eternally given as a gift by faith
d. Have always said works are the result of salvation already possessed
e. Have always said that believers will have every flavor of works under the sun

And the context was a particular member who regularly tosses JESUS, his promises, power, works, faith under the bus and NOT expecting much out of him when it comes to assembling with God's people in capacity worship...

SO.....what are you blathering on about?

 

[NayborBear]

Lemme<----Is this some kind of lemon.....and your view above makes no sense and has NO bearing on what I said....NONE, ZERO, NADA, NOTHING, NIL, ZILCH, ZERO, RIEN, NICHTS, EKKERT, XEJN, and every other word of like caliber and order....

a. I have never said salvation can be lost
b. I have never said it must be gained, kept or maintained by works
c. Have always said it is eternally given as a gift by faith
d. Have always said works are the result of salvation already possessed
e. Have always said that believers will have every flavor of works under the sun

And the context was a particular member who regularly tosses JESUS, his promises, power, works, faith under the bus and NOT expecting much out of him when it comes to assembling with God's people in capacity worship...

SO.....what are you blathering on about?

First off, I issue an apology to you! You were referring to a particular poster in CC, whom you say says, he throws Jesus "under the bus!"

 

[NayborBear]

First off, I issue an apology to you! You were referring to a particular poster in CC, whom you say says, he throws Jesus "under the bus!"

(what happened to the "cancel a post button?")

While I was replying to a post yesterday, in which an apology was all I was able to get "into print" before "the world" came calling, and was "rather obliged" (long story), and unable to finish, nor cancel mad, the full reply I was in the process of doing. Funny, how that works, eh? (Yeah!!...I don't think so either! )

Egads! The "blessings, and curses", of being technologically challenged, when it comes to using the "prince of the airs'" "aids" against it! As it gives power to this rising of the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit in these end times!

Although, I may, or may not be "that particular poster" that throws Jesus "under the bus", It gave "enough" cause in "resembling that remark", in the understanding (I hope), of that particular poster's remarks. Not, that I myself throw Jesus of Nazareth under the bus. Because I don't! But, also! I am not throwing Jesus' Father and God, "under the bus" either! As Peter states in his "Greeting to strangers "scattered" here and there. 1 Peter 1: 3-5:
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,


4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,


5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


Again. Not knowing who the particular poster is? I cannot answer for them. I can only testify on that which "I" see, and have seen, when "I" have attended "assemblies." (and "think", this is what that particular poster is referring to)

When Jesus was conversing with Nicodemus, in John 3:3, He states: "Except a man be born again, he cannot (even) see the kingdom of God." Which, is when one believes that faith in the only begotten, and accepting the forgiveness given Him, by His Father, and God!

Then Jesus added another "condition", in verse 5: "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot (even) enter into the kingdom of God. What "this" verse tells me, is there's a difference in being born again, and being born again of the Spirit! What "this" verse tells me? It's no longer Jesus knocking on any particular believer's door. It's Jesus' Father and God "knocking!"

Verse 21: "But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." What "this" verse tell me? Is that the Father and God of Jesus of Nazareth, has a special "Spiritual" program, "Tailor made" For each individual believer. One which God, will "tempt" you! Yet, not more then one is able to bare, nor "trap" you in, without any escape from. Meaning? Sometimes? It's NOT satan, nor the enemies of the Kingdom of God, and Kingdom of Light, that is doing the tempting! This, is the Father and God of Jesus of Nazareth's ATTEMPTS, of "Perfecting" YOUR Spirit! To Becoming Holy! Just as He IS Holy! And, methinks, where people mistakenly believe that Jesus is being "thrown under the bus." God Forbid!
Peter states in 1 Peter 1:17-19:
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?


18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?


19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

 

[SpoonJuly]

How is not going to church a sin? Is there a specific verse you can provide that states that it is a sin not to go to church?

It is mentioned that we should not forsake the assembling together but I see no command from God that we absolutely have to assemble. And assemble where? Perhaps one lives in an isolated area, or is sick or confined to being at home. Maybe there isn't a bible believing church that teaches and preaches salvation.

In my own case, my current work schedule prohibits going to church as I work through the week-end. There are a lot of reasons that keep people outside of church. It is certainly not a sin but I do recommend, if possible, to not forsake, as it says in the bible, to assemble together with others. Of course, the others should be like-minded, love God and believe in the bible.

The thing is it's not always possible to assemble and in some circumstances, perhaps unwise to do so just for the sake of going to church.

Sin does not lead to loss of salvation either, but rather refusal to accept the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for the remission of sin and the absence of the Holy Spirit living inside your heart to guide you in your repentance. Sin does not lead to loss of salvation, sin leads to death. It says that in the bible somewhere.

God accepts reasons and you offered some.
God does not accept excuses as most on this forum have offered.
The writer of Hebrews, by the inspiration of God, said "not to forsake" so to forsake is to disobey God.

 

[preston39]

How is not going to church a sin? Is there a specific verse you can provide that states that it is a sin not to go to church?......................In my own case, my current work schedule prohibits going to church as I work through the week-end. There are a lot of reasons that keep people outside of church. It is certainly not a sin but I do recommend, if possible, to not forsake, as it says in the bible, to assemble together with others. Of course, the others should be like-minded, love God and believe in the bible.......

t....,

We are guided by scripture; Note G-d used the term...the Sabbath...for a special reason. He knew His creations would include emergency, fire, police, medical folks, etc ...folks who would be required to work on .....the Sabbath....note He did not say Sunday.

Common sense tells me that The Sabbath must be considered as a rolling day. Such Sabbath is to be determined by each of us considering our work schedule...as the 7th day. Remember and keep it HOLY.

 

[tourist]

Common sense tells me that The Sabbath must be considered as a rolling day. Such Sabbath is to be determined by each of us considering our work schedule...as the 7th day. Remember and keep it HOLY.

I will do my best. Actually, the Sabbath is in in-depth subject, and not just about the 7th day of the week. I am going to contemplate that 'rolling day' concept.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Or how about the fact that Paul speaks about the church that met in Philemon's home....."the church in thy house"

That very well could be where the upper room was located. Great post.

 

[preston39]

In the early...early times it was under a palm tree...no doubt...in the desert.
Assembly can be any place respectively...in Jesus's name...Amen....."where there are two or more there I will be also"....says it all