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There will be a resurrection of the saints, and it is not pre-seven years period, but at the end of the 7 years period.
The Bible says that the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first, which means the response of the world to the Gospel, which they have a unified religious system based on evolution, and people can still evolve, and want the New Age Christ to appear to cause them to evolve to be greater, which the falling away first is at the end of the first three and one half years when the transgressors are come to the full, which then a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up, and the man of sin claims to be God at the middle of the 7 years period.
Then the saints can be gathered unto Christ.
The 6th trumpet, a war between Islam and the world, will cause the world to accept the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth, and war will break out in heaven and the devils will be cast to earth, and the man of sin will deceive all people who do not love God, which God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie, because they did not love righteousness.
It is time for God to end this sin business on earth which He must do one day, and God is love and loves all people, so He will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, and then He will put down the world.
The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until the people are deceived that do not love God, which is in the middle of the 7 years period.
God has to end this sin business on earth, and the purpose of the antichrist, man of sin, is to deceive all people that do not love God so He can put down the world, so it has to be on a world wide scale, and all nations together agreeing to try to achieve peace on earth, which they believe the New Age Christ will not help them until the nations come together to try to establish peace on earth, but it is a deception of the devil to try to bring the world together by peace to rebel against God, and to doom their soul, for God is allowing him to do it so He can put down the wicked.
A person cannot place the antichrist in the first century for that is the wrong time frame, and not the purpose that God has for the antichrist at that time, and we know the heathen still rule, and evil still goes on in the earth, so the antichrist is in the future which is the purpose for the antichrist to deceive the whole world that do not love God.
Which the 4th kingdom, and the ten horn kingdom, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, but that could of not happened in the first century for it is impossible without advanced technology, and advanced travel such as today, and Daniel said the saints will understand the end time because many shall run to and fro(advanced travel), and knowledge shall be increased(advanced technology), which causes the world to be able to communicate with each other, and travel to each other, to be able to come together, and the saints will know it is the end time for they can see, hear, and know, of the things that are occurring on earth.
And the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which could of not happened in the first century, and Jesus said the saints shall know of natural disasters, famines, nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, that will occur all around the world, but how can they know that without advanced technology like today, and the saints shall be hated of all nations, not a few, but all nations, and the Gospel must be preached in to all the world then the end shall come.
The purpose God has for the antichrist could of not happened in the first century, or before this time.
Also God warns the saints of the new age movement that will happen in the latter times, which the latter times was not in the first century, and it will be standard religion in the world as a unified religious system, based on evolution, that will pave the way to the beast kingdom, and the antichrist.
The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period.
God is giving the world 7 years to have their way, so the wrath of God is not in the 7 years period, but after the 7 years period.
When the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East, which is the hindrance to the nations coming together, and the nations come together and say Peace and safety, the 7 years period will start, but Paul said when the nations come together and say Peace and safety the saints will not be deceived by it for they will know it is not the operation of God, so the saints are on earth when the 7 years period starts.
And Jesus said He will deliver the saints in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon earth, but there can only be one temptation that can come upon all people at the same time, when the world says Peace and safety, for will they follow the world, or will they turn to God, or will they stay with God and straighten up, so the saints are on earth when the 7 years period starts.
During the first three and one half years repentance, and salvation, are available to the world, so the wrath of God is not in the first three and one half years, so the Church shall remain on earth to represent the truth, which Israel cannot represent the truth because they are blinded in part at that time.
The seals and trumpets are not the wrath of God, and the trumpets are 6 warnings to the world to repent of their sins, and turn to God, as He is giving the world a chance to abort their plan of doing it according to people' agenda and turn to Him, but after the 6th trumpet the world does not repent of their sins and turn to God, so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.
An example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God, WW2, set up United Nations, did not turn to God, and that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet, Islam against the world, which they do not turn to God, so He gives them the New Age Christ to rule over them, which these disasters are not the wrath of God.
The wrath of God is not in the first three and one half years, for repentance and salvation is still available to the world, and He is giving the world a chance to abort their agenda of thinking it is about evolution, and they can still evolve by the power of nature, and there is no personal God.
God's wrath is not going on now because repentance and salvation is still available to the world, so His wrath is not in the first three and one half years because repentance and salvation is still available to them.
God's wrath is not in the last three and one half years for the beast has power to rule for three and one half years, and if the wrath of God was in the last three and one half years, then the beast does not have power, given by God, to rule for the last three and one half years.
God is giving the world 7 years to have their way, so He is not going to pour out His wrath on the world until the 7 years period is over.
So they cannot use the excuse God will not allow them to go through the 7 years period, for the wrath of God is not in the 7 years period.
The Bible says that the saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first, which means the response of the world to the Gospel, which they have a unified religious system based on evolution, and people can still evolve, and want the New Age Christ to appear to cause them to evolve to be greater, which the falling away first is at the end of the first three and one half years when the transgressors are come to the full, which then a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up, and the man of sin claims to be God at the middle of the 7 years period.
Then the saints can be gathered unto Christ.
The 6th trumpet, a war between Islam and the world, will cause the world to accept the New Age Christ as the solution to have peace on earth, and war will break out in heaven and the devils will be cast to earth, and the man of sin will deceive all people who do not love God, which God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie, because they did not love righteousness.
It is time for God to end this sin business on earth which He must do one day, and God is love and loves all people, so He will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him, so He is giving the world 7 years to have their way, and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, and then He will put down the world.
The saints cannot be gathered unto Christ until the people are deceived that do not love God, which is in the middle of the 7 years period.
God has to end this sin business on earth, and the purpose of the antichrist, man of sin, is to deceive all people that do not love God so He can put down the world, so it has to be on a world wide scale, and all nations together agreeing to try to achieve peace on earth, which they believe the New Age Christ will not help them until the nations come together to try to establish peace on earth, but it is a deception of the devil to try to bring the world together by peace to rebel against God, and to doom their soul, for God is allowing him to do it so He can put down the wicked.
A person cannot place the antichrist in the first century for that is the wrong time frame, and not the purpose that God has for the antichrist at that time, and we know the heathen still rule, and evil still goes on in the earth, so the antichrist is in the future which is the purpose for the antichrist to deceive the whole world that do not love God.
Which the 4th kingdom, and the ten horn kingdom, the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section, shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, but that could of not happened in the first century for it is impossible without advanced technology, and advanced travel such as today, and Daniel said the saints will understand the end time because many shall run to and fro(advanced travel), and knowledge shall be increased(advanced technology), which causes the world to be able to communicate with each other, and travel to each other, to be able to come together, and the saints will know it is the end time for they can see, hear, and know, of the things that are occurring on earth.
And the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which could of not happened in the first century, and Jesus said the saints shall know of natural disasters, famines, nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, that will occur all around the world, but how can they know that without advanced technology like today, and the saints shall be hated of all nations, not a few, but all nations, and the Gospel must be preached in to all the world then the end shall come.
The purpose God has for the antichrist could of not happened in the first century, or before this time.
Also God warns the saints of the new age movement that will happen in the latter times, which the latter times was not in the first century, and it will be standard religion in the world as a unified religious system, based on evolution, that will pave the way to the beast kingdom, and the antichrist.
The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period.
God is giving the world 7 years to have their way, so the wrath of God is not in the 7 years period, but after the 7 years period.
When the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East, which is the hindrance to the nations coming together, and the nations come together and say Peace and safety, the 7 years period will start, but Paul said when the nations come together and say Peace and safety the saints will not be deceived by it for they will know it is not the operation of God, so the saints are on earth when the 7 years period starts.
And Jesus said He will deliver the saints in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon earth, but there can only be one temptation that can come upon all people at the same time, when the world says Peace and safety, for will they follow the world, or will they turn to God, or will they stay with God and straighten up, so the saints are on earth when the 7 years period starts.
During the first three and one half years repentance, and salvation, are available to the world, so the wrath of God is not in the first three and one half years, so the Church shall remain on earth to represent the truth, which Israel cannot represent the truth because they are blinded in part at that time.
The seals and trumpets are not the wrath of God, and the trumpets are 6 warnings to the world to repent of their sins, and turn to God, as He is giving the world a chance to abort their plan of doing it according to people' agenda and turn to Him, but after the 6th trumpet the world does not repent of their sins and turn to God, so He gives them the man of sin to rule over them.
An example is WW1, set up League of Nations, did not turn to God, WW2, set up United Nations, did not turn to God, and that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet, Islam against the world, which they do not turn to God, so He gives them the New Age Christ to rule over them, which these disasters are not the wrath of God.
The wrath of God is not in the first three and one half years, for repentance and salvation is still available to the world, and He is giving the world a chance to abort their agenda of thinking it is about evolution, and they can still evolve by the power of nature, and there is no personal God.
God's wrath is not going on now because repentance and salvation is still available to the world, so His wrath is not in the first three and one half years because repentance and salvation is still available to them.
God's wrath is not in the last three and one half years for the beast has power to rule for three and one half years, and if the wrath of God was in the last three and one half years, then the beast does not have power, given by God, to rule for the last three and one half years.
God is giving the world 7 years to have their way, so He is not going to pour out His wrath on the world until the 7 years period is over.
So they cannot use the excuse God will not allow them to go through the 7 years period, for the wrath of God is not in the 7 years period.
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Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period, and God said He will gather the whole house of Israel, all twelve tribes, and put them back on their land, and will leave none of the Jews in the nations anymore, and when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel, and the Jews and Gentiles will be separated, and the Jews will not be in the Gentile nations anymore.
The first three and one half years the Jews are blinded in part, and at the start of the last three and one half years the beast makes war against the saints, but the 2 witnesses only started to witness to the Jews, and the nation of Israel has not been turned to the truth yet.
The Bible says the beast shall make war against the saints, and prevail against them, and shall destroy the mighty and holy people, and they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall accomplish to scatter the power of the holy people all things are finished, which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver the kingdom up to the Father.
The beast will make war against saints worldwide, and scatter their power, so these have to be Gentile saints, for Israel shall not be scattered from off their land once God plants them there, although the Jews that are on Jesus' side could be persecuted, and Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period, and Israel is blinded in part during the first three and one half years, and Israel as a nation is not turned to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah until at the end of the 7 years period, although they will increase in number as the last three and one half years progresses, and at the end when the 2 witnesses resurrect, and a tenth of the city fell, then the rest shall turn to Jesus.
The beast makes war against the saints worldwide, and scatters their power, which would be Gentile saints.
But if there is a pre-seven years resurrection there would not be any Gentile saints on earth.
Jesus said when He comes back to take the saints, the resurrection, that the hypocrites will not go with Him.
Jesus said once He closes the door after the resurrection happens, then if anybody knocks they cannot enter.
The Gospel must be preached in all the world, as a witness unto all nations, then comes the end, which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, which the world will know of the Gospel at the end of the first three and one half years.
So if it is a pre-seven years resurrection, then the Gospel has been preached in to all the world, so if they did not get caught up in the resurrection then they were either hypocritical, or rejected the truth, so how can there be Gentile saints after that, for there cannot be.
Jesus said that the hypocrites will not be caught up, and once He shuts the door there is no entrance.
So if it is pre-seven years period there can be no Gentile saints on earth, but the man of sin persecutes all saints in all nations, and scatters their power, so they have to be Gentile saints, but there cannot be Gentile saints on earth in the 7 years period if it is pre-seven years period resurrection.
No Gentiles can be saved after the resurrection happens.
Also the Bible says that if they miss the first resurrection, they have to go to the second resurrection, so all Gentiles that did not make it in the first resurrection have to go to the second resurrection, so if it is pre-seven years period resurrection there cannot be any Gentiles that can be saved.
The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period, there is no pre-seven years resurrection, and the saints are given in to the beast's hands for three and one half years, and when he scatters their power then the resurrection shall happen, and all that remain of the saints will be caught up to Jesus.
Then the wrath of God poured on the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon, and then Jesus will come back with all the saints, with no Gentile saint on earth, and save Israel, and defeat the world.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Nobody will recognize any religious authority, or god, but Jesus, on the whole earth.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
They cannot place that in the first century.
Some people have a wrong interpretation of the Bible, an improper foundation, and then they try to fit scriptures in to that wrong foundation, and sorry for the sarcasm, but I mean it kind of funny, that did they not learn as a child that the square peg does not fit in the round hole.
It gets ridiculous to hear pre-trib, when there is no pre-trib, but what is even more ridiculous that you can show that it cannot be pre-trib, but many, and I mean many, will still not believe it.
People have more misinterpretations of the Bible than any other book in the history of mankind, which goes to prove that it is from God, for the flesh does not like to hear it the proper way among some people, and the flesh will blunder at understanding some things, but books of the world no problemo for it is the flesh, so they understand, well some do for you still have some people who cannot grasp the higher intelligent written things, and findings, but there is always Green Eggs and Ham, and See Spot Run, for them, and again sorry for sarcasm, for I am not claiming to be someone special, for I might be wrong concerning some things.
But not on the pre-tribulation improper foundation, for there is too much information against it for it to be true.
Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period, and God said He will gather the whole house of Israel, all twelve tribes, and put them back on their land, and will leave none of the Jews in the nations anymore, and when the man of sin establishes peace in the Middle East it will pave the way for all Jews to go to Israel, and the Jews and Gentiles will be separated, and the Jews will not be in the Gentile nations anymore.
The first three and one half years the Jews are blinded in part, and at the start of the last three and one half years the beast makes war against the saints, but the 2 witnesses only started to witness to the Jews, and the nation of Israel has not been turned to the truth yet.
The Bible says the beast shall make war against the saints, and prevail against them, and shall destroy the mighty and holy people, and they shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years, and when he shall accomplish to scatter the power of the holy people all things are finished, which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver the kingdom up to the Father.
The beast will make war against saints worldwide, and scatter their power, so these have to be Gentile saints, for Israel shall not be scattered from off their land once God plants them there, although the Jews that are on Jesus' side could be persecuted, and Israel is protected from physical attack for the 7 years period, and Israel is blinded in part during the first three and one half years, and Israel as a nation is not turned to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah until at the end of the 7 years period, although they will increase in number as the last three and one half years progresses, and at the end when the 2 witnesses resurrect, and a tenth of the city fell, then the rest shall turn to Jesus.
The beast makes war against the saints worldwide, and scatters their power, which would be Gentile saints.
But if there is a pre-seven years resurrection there would not be any Gentile saints on earth.
Jesus said when He comes back to take the saints, the resurrection, that the hypocrites will not go with Him.
Jesus said once He closes the door after the resurrection happens, then if anybody knocks they cannot enter.
The Gospel must be preached in all the world, as a witness unto all nations, then comes the end, which then comes the end when the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to the Father, which the world will know of the Gospel at the end of the first three and one half years.
So if it is a pre-seven years resurrection, then the Gospel has been preached in to all the world, so if they did not get caught up in the resurrection then they were either hypocritical, or rejected the truth, so how can there be Gentile saints after that, for there cannot be.
Jesus said that the hypocrites will not be caught up, and once He shuts the door there is no entrance.
So if it is pre-seven years period there can be no Gentile saints on earth, but the man of sin persecutes all saints in all nations, and scatters their power, so they have to be Gentile saints, but there cannot be Gentile saints on earth in the 7 years period if it is pre-seven years period resurrection.
No Gentiles can be saved after the resurrection happens.
Also the Bible says that if they miss the first resurrection, they have to go to the second resurrection, so all Gentiles that did not make it in the first resurrection have to go to the second resurrection, so if it is pre-seven years period resurrection there cannot be any Gentiles that can be saved.
The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period, there is no pre-seven years resurrection, and the saints are given in to the beast's hands for three and one half years, and when he scatters their power then the resurrection shall happen, and all that remain of the saints will be caught up to Jesus.
Then the wrath of God poured on the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon, and then Jesus will come back with all the saints, with no Gentile saint on earth, and save Israel, and defeat the world.
Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Nobody will recognize any religious authority, or god, but Jesus, on the whole earth.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
They cannot place that in the first century.
Some people have a wrong interpretation of the Bible, an improper foundation, and then they try to fit scriptures in to that wrong foundation, and sorry for the sarcasm, but I mean it kind of funny, that did they not learn as a child that the square peg does not fit in the round hole.
It gets ridiculous to hear pre-trib, when there is no pre-trib, but what is even more ridiculous that you can show that it cannot be pre-trib, but many, and I mean many, will still not believe it.
People have more misinterpretations of the Bible than any other book in the history of mankind, which goes to prove that it is from God, for the flesh does not like to hear it the proper way among some people, and the flesh will blunder at understanding some things, but books of the world no problemo for it is the flesh, so they understand, well some do for you still have some people who cannot grasp the higher intelligent written things, and findings, but there is always Green Eggs and Ham, and See Spot Run, for them, and again sorry for sarcasm, for I am not claiming to be someone special, for I might be wrong concerning some things.
But not on the pre-tribulation improper foundation, for there is too much information against it for it to be true.
Brother Ahwatukee,
This preconceived idea that the Revelation is one continual timeline has no scriptural confirmation, do you have any? Even the pre-tribs agree that there is a pause after the 7th trumpet where the beast (nation/Rome) is described.
So the time line discussion is really about when the 7 vials are poured out. Are they a continuation of the time line? Or are they starting at the beginning of the time line again after the pause?
You see, I agree that the 7 seals/7 trumpets are one time line, they are both included in the story of the scroll. But the story contained IN the scroll (the 2W's) ends at the 7th trumpet.
We know that the story of the 2W's and the 7 seals/7 trumpets are telling the same story because of the mention of the beast (nation) that comes out of the abyss at the 5th trumpet and kills the 2W's, just before the 7th trumpet.
So we see that the story of the 2W's and the 7 seals/7 trumpets run parallel to each other, they are the same story from different perspectives.
The seals/trumpets are the perspective of the natural branches being cut off from Gods blessings after rejecting the gospel kingdom.
The 2W's being the perspective of the natural branches being loved by God and restored to Jerusalem. (1967)
This proves that the Revelation is not always consecutive in it's time line, that it tells the same story, has parallel time lines and is not exclusively consecutive.
I think that even you believe that the story of the 2W's starts at the beginning of the 7 years, so it would run parallel to the 7 seals/trumpets.
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So the possibility of the vials running parallel to the scroll stories is open.
The possibility is confirmed by the parallel events described in the 5/6/7th trumpets and the 5/6/7th vials, which both seem to be the same events.
See how both the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial both describe events that take place across the Euphrates River from Jerusalem.
See that both describe armies that cross the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem restored to Israel.
After this event, the 7th trumpet (resur/rapt), and 7th vial (the stone strikes) happen, ending life on this planet.
This preconceived idea that the Revelation is one continual timeline has no scriptural confirmation, do you have any? Even the pre-tribs agree that there is a pause after the 7th trumpet where the beast (nation/Rome) is described.
So the time line discussion is really about when the 7 vials are poured out. Are they a continuation of the time line? Or are they starting at the beginning of the time line again after the pause?
You see, I agree that the 7 seals/7 trumpets are one time line, they are both included in the story of the scroll. But the story contained IN the scroll (the 2W's) ends at the 7th trumpet.
We know that the story of the 2W's and the 7 seals/7 trumpets are telling the same story because of the mention of the beast (nation) that comes out of the abyss at the 5th trumpet and kills the 2W's, just before the 7th trumpet.
So we see that the story of the 2W's and the 7 seals/7 trumpets run parallel to each other, they are the same story from different perspectives.
The seals/trumpets are the perspective of the natural branches being cut off from Gods blessings after rejecting the gospel kingdom.
The 2W's being the perspective of the natural branches being loved by God and restored to Jerusalem. (1967)
This proves that the Revelation is not always consecutive in it's time line, that it tells the same story, has parallel time lines and is not exclusively consecutive.
I think that even you believe that the story of the 2W's starts at the beginning of the 7 years, so it would run parallel to the 7 seals/trumpets.
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So the possibility of the vials running parallel to the scroll stories is open.
The possibility is confirmed by the parallel events described in the 5/6/7th trumpets and the 5/6/7th vials, which both seem to be the same events.
See how both the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial both describe events that take place across the Euphrates River from Jerusalem.
See that both describe armies that cross the Euphrates to attack Jerusalem restored to Israel.
After this event, the 7th trumpet (resur/rapt), and 7th vial (the stone strikes) happen, ending life on this planet.
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Yes, I do have scriptural confirmation and that because the seals, trumpets and bowls are written in the order of 1 thru 7 for each set. You and others on the other hand, are erroneously taking them out of the order that God put them in. Each seal, trumpet and bowl judgment is an independent event of wrath which takes place in sequential order and like a woman having birth pangs getting more intense leading up to the Lord's return to end the age.
You have one scroll and seven seals, which are all adhering to the same piece of paper on the same scroll. When you break the first seal it will allow you to unfurl the paper of the scroll until you get to the second seal, allowing you to read only what is contained within that first seal. In order to see what is written under the second seal you must break that seal from the paper of the scroll which you can unfurl until you get to the third seal which is also adhering to the paper and so on, and so on. This is why you cannot open say, the fifth seal first, because you would have four seals behind it and two seals ahead of it which would all be adhering to the paper on the scroll. Therefore, if you tried opening the 5th seal first, you would shred the scroll to pieces trying to see what was written under the other seals. And you can't get to the trumpets and bowls, because they follow the seals.
Once the 7th trumpet has sounded and taken place, then following that would be the pouring out of the first bowl followed by the second bowl and third, etc., just as they appear in scripture. There is a reason why the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are each written in the order of 1 thru 7 and that because it is the order in which they take place.
The opening of the first seal, which symbolically represents the revealing of the antichrist, initiates the seven year period of God's wrath, which will be followed by the rest of the seals, then the trumpets and finally the bowl judgments, with Jesus returning to the earth shortly after the seventh bowl has been poured out, which completes God's wrath. We know that Jesus does not return until after the 7th bowl has been poured out and that because of what the Lord inserts after the 6th bowl has been poured out:
"Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”
The above demonstrates that by the pouring out of the 6th bowl that the Lord has not yet returned to the earth. At the 6th bowl the Euphrates is dried up and those spirits of demons go throughout the world to gather the kings of the world and their armies to the battle of Armageddon. After the 7th bowl is poured out, a voice from the temple says "It is done!" This signals that God's wrath has been completed
The beast is first mentioned in Rev.9:14 as that angel of the Abyss, called Abaddon or Apollyon. It is at the sounding of the 5th trumpet that the beast emerges from the Abyss. Everywhere that you read about the beast is just other informational references to him.
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Revelation 9:11 - They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. (Destroyer)
Revelation 11:7 - Now when they (the two witnesses) have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
Revelation 13:3 - One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
Revelation 13:4 - Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”
Revelation 13:5-6 the beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
Revelation 13:7 - He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
Revelation 13:8 - All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
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Yes, I do have scriptural confirmation and that because the seals, trumpets and bowls are written in the order of 1 thru 7 for each set. You and others on the other hand, are erroneously taking them out of the order that God put them in. Each seal, trumpet and bowl judgment is an independent event of wrath which takes place in sequential order and like a woman having birth pangs getting more intense leading up to the Lord's return to end the age.
You have one scroll and seven seals, which are all adhering to the same piece of paper on the same scroll. When you break the first seal it will allow you to unfurl the paper of the scroll until you get to the second seal, allowing you to read only what is contained within that first seal. In order to see what is written under the second seal you must break that seal from the paper of the scroll which you can unfurl until you get to the third seal which is also adhering to the paper and so on, and so on. This is why you cannot open say, the fifth seal first, because you would have four seals behind it and two seals ahead of it which would all be adhering to the paper on the scroll. Therefore, if you tried opening the 5th seal first, you would shred the scroll to pieces trying to see what was written under the other seals. And you can't get to the trumpets and bowls, because they follow the seals.
Once the 7th trumpet has sounded and taken place, then following that would be the pouring out of the first bowl followed by the second bowl and third, etc., just as they appear in scripture. There is a reason why the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are each written in the order of 1 thru 7 and that because it is the order in which they take place.
The opening of the first seal, which symbolically represents the revealing of the antichrist, initiates the seven year period of God's wrath, which will be followed by the rest of the seals, then the trumpets and finally the bowl judgments, with Jesus returning to the earth shortly after the seventh bowl has been poured out, which completes God's wrath. We know that Jesus does not return until after the 7th bowl has been poured out and that because of what the Lord inserts after the 6th bowl has been poured out:
"Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”
The above demonstrates that by the pouring out of the 6th bowl that the Lord has not yet returned to the earth. At the 6th bowl the Euphrates is dried up and those spirits of demons go throughout the world to gather the kings of the world and their armies to the battle of Armageddon. After the 7th bowl is poured out, a voice from the temple says "It is done!" This signals that God's wrath has been completed
The beast is first mentioned in Rev.9:14 as that angel of the Abyss, called Abaddon or Apollyon. It is at the sounding of the 5th trumpet that the beast emerges from the Abyss. Everywhere that you read about the beast is just other informational references to him.
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Revelation 9:11 - They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon. (Destroyer)
Revelation 11:7 - Now when they (the two witnesses) have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.
Revelation 13:3 - One of the heads of the beast seemed to have a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
Revelation 13:4 - Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?”
Revelation 13:5-6 the beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.
Revelation 13:7 - He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.
Revelation 13:8 - All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -- all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.
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Hello so-jesus-e-deus
That would be a mid-tribulation gathering of the church which can't be true, because much of God's wrath will have already taken place by the middle of the seven years and which believers are not appointed to suffer, ergo, believers must be gathered prior to the seventieth week.
That would be a mid-tribulation gathering of the church which can't be true, because much of God's wrath will have already taken place by the middle of the seven years and which believers are not appointed to suffer, ergo, believers must be gathered prior to the seventieth week.
Brother Ahwatukee, Rev 7:1-3, Rev 9:13-21.
The 4 angels are not evil spirits. They take orders from the angel with the seal of the living God Rev 7:2. They are similar to the angel spirits that are seen using the trumpets and the vials. The angels themselves are not evil.
The angel spirits are released from holding back the 4 winds of destruction against the natural branches.
The angels are good for holding back the winds. When the angels are released from their obligation of holding back the evil spirit winds of destruction against Israel (grass,trees, etc.), the winds of destruction cross the Euphrates headed for Jerusalem.
The angels do not gather the army. The winds of destruction are already in existence at the time of Rev 7:1-3.
The angel "rising" in the "east" is showing how the power of the winds is increasing. It takes more power to restrain the winds as they increase to destroy Israel.
The releasing can only happen after Israel is restored to Jerusalem (1967), otherwise it would be of no importance to Israel, as the past has shown.
The army is demonic. But the flesh is the flesh of the men from across the Euphrates. It is the spirits of these men that is described. The nation of Iran is the leader in that spirit to hate Israel. The demonic spirits that inhabit these men presently is well known.
The 5th trumpet shows the restoration of the iron Roman dragon beast Nation. This happened in 1929 when the Antichrist returned to sit on the seat of the beast, in Rome, in exactly the same place as 2000 years ago. (Caesar, Caesar worship, worship the creation, man is the holy father.)
The events that happened after that time to the natural branches almost ended in the genocide of Israel, at that time, if the days had not been shortened.
Both are seen as across the Euphrates from Israel, Iran today.
The number of 200 mill is those on the front lines and those who support them, all in Satan's army to destroy Israel.
The angels do not kill Israel. The winds that blow across the Euphrates do. The 4 angel spirits were preventing that from happening.
The killing of 1/3 of Israel shows that Israel will not be whole after that event. (Incomplete, not a people)
Mankind is Israel, not the gentile nations.
?? Rev 9:14 ??
Neither one of these events is significant to Israel until Israel is restored to Jerusalem.
They are both describing the same events from different points of view.
The 6th trumpet is from the view that the natural branches have continued to reject the gospel kingdom and suffer the withdrawing of god's blessings of protection. The blowing of the 6th trumpet is the Beginning of the process of the final chance for Israel to accept Jesus as the Messiah before the final genocide of Israel in Jerusalem.
The 6th vial shows the same story from the viewpoint that is about the beast nation Rome and it's final acts before they are destroyed when the stone strikes at the 7th vial.
The waters are people Rev 17:15. The power of the people of the Euphrates area dries up (Bush/Saddam) so that Iran and it's allies can attack Israel restored to Jerusalem.
What happens to the army of 200 million men that attack Jerusalem at the 6th trumpet? Do they take Jerusalem? Just disappear?
The story of the 2W's show that Jerusalem falls.
Do they return home after that? And then come back again at the 6th vial? 2 Armageddons?
The 4 angels are not evil spirits. They take orders from the angel with the seal of the living God Rev 7:2. They are similar to the angel spirits that are seen using the trumpets and the vials. The angels themselves are not evil.
The angel spirits are released from holding back the 4 winds of destruction against the natural branches.
The angels are good for holding back the winds. When the angels are released from their obligation of holding back the evil spirit winds of destruction against Israel (grass,trees, etc.), the winds of destruction cross the Euphrates headed for Jerusalem.
The angels do not gather the army. The winds of destruction are already in existence at the time of Rev 7:1-3.
The angel "rising" in the "east" is showing how the power of the winds is increasing. It takes more power to restrain the winds as they increase to destroy Israel.
The releasing can only happen after Israel is restored to Jerusalem (1967), otherwise it would be of no importance to Israel, as the past has shown.
The army is demonic. But the flesh is the flesh of the men from across the Euphrates. It is the spirits of these men that is described. The nation of Iran is the leader in that spirit to hate Israel. The demonic spirits that inhabit these men presently is well known.
The 5th trumpet shows the restoration of the iron Roman dragon beast Nation. This happened in 1929 when the Antichrist returned to sit on the seat of the beast, in Rome, in exactly the same place as 2000 years ago. (Caesar, Caesar worship, worship the creation, man is the holy father.)
The events that happened after that time to the natural branches almost ended in the genocide of Israel, at that time, if the days had not been shortened.
Both are seen as across the Euphrates from Israel, Iran today.
The number of 200 mill is those on the front lines and those who support them, all in Satan's army to destroy Israel.
The angels do not kill Israel. The winds that blow across the Euphrates do. The 4 angel spirits were preventing that from happening.
The killing of 1/3 of Israel shows that Israel will not be whole after that event. (Incomplete, not a people)
Mankind is Israel, not the gentile nations.
?? Rev 9:14 ??
Neither one of these events is significant to Israel until Israel is restored to Jerusalem.
They are both describing the same events from different points of view.
The 6th trumpet is from the view that the natural branches have continued to reject the gospel kingdom and suffer the withdrawing of god's blessings of protection. The blowing of the 6th trumpet is the Beginning of the process of the final chance for Israel to accept Jesus as the Messiah before the final genocide of Israel in Jerusalem.
The 6th vial shows the same story from the viewpoint that is about the beast nation Rome and it's final acts before they are destroyed when the stone strikes at the 7th vial.
The waters are people Rev 17:15. The power of the people of the Euphrates area dries up (Bush/Saddam) so that Iran and it's allies can attack Israel restored to Jerusalem.
What happens to the army of 200 million men that attack Jerusalem at the 6th trumpet? Do they take Jerusalem? Just disappear?
The story of the 2W's show that Jerusalem falls.
Do they return home after that? And then come back again at the 6th vial? 2 Armageddons?
ROFL
I have posted this before. The book of Daniel has God telling Daniel to close the book and it will not be understood until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed until the end times. Theologians have studied these closed books and come up with 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology. Here it is again. Four different sites each discussing about the 4 different views.
Here are 4 different links to the 4 theological Biblical views of eschatology.
This is because Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language. Daniel plainly states it is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed.
https://www.exploregod.com/biblical-prophecy-four-views-of-the-end-times
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm
http://www.christianciv.com/eschatology_bs_Sect1.htm
http://executableoutlines.com/end/end_01.htm
I have posted this before. The book of Daniel has God telling Daniel to close the book and it will not be understood until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed until the end times. Theologians have studied these closed books and come up with 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology. Here it is again. Four different sites each discussing about the 4 different views.
Here are 4 different links to the 4 theological Biblical views of eschatology.
This is because Daniel and Revelation are written in symbolic language. Daniel plainly states it is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed.
https://www.exploregod.com/biblical-prophecy-four-views-of-the-end-times
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm
http://www.christianciv.com/eschatology_bs_Sect1.htm
http://executableoutlines.com/end/end_01.htm
It is amazing how many people have differing opinions about eschatology when Daniel states that his book is closed until the end times. Revelation is written the same way so it too is closed until the end times. Theologians have created 4 different views of eschatology that fits the Bible which if any is correct nobody knows. But that does not stop opinionated people from venturing into the abyss of the unknowable to pontificate about eschatology like they absolutely know they are absolutely 100% correct when even theologians having studied it for centuries have 4 possible views of it.
Pontificate away but understand these books are closed until the end times.
Pontificate away but understand these books are closed until the end times.
Brother Ahwatukee,
Have you made your posts so that I cannot reply to them line by line?
Is that intentional? Or by accident?
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The beast/Rome that comes out of the abyss with his army/nation in the 5th trumpet is the spirit of Satan, the spirit to destroy Israel (1929).
But we both know that the iron dragon beast nation is Rome. The iron in the statue of Daniel 2 (No gaps), and the 4th beast of Daniel 7.
And the Antichrist leader, false prophet of the beast is Caesar and his image the Bishop of Rome (BoR).
Who was the Antichrist iron nation 500 years ago? Who is the iron Antichrist nation today? (Vatican/image) (No gaps in the iron time line of Dan. 2)
Caesar and the BoR have attacked Israel wild and natural branches for the last 2000 years.
That was the great tribulation, when Israel was attacked by the beast Antichrist iron dragon NATION Rome. 70 ad thru 1967.
The Antichrist has been here all the time, and you are saying, no, no, the Antichrist is not the murderer of millions of true Christians and natural branches of Israel for the last 2000 years.
He is not revealed yet,
But he is, and has been, and you are helping to hide him, being deceived by the pre-trib time line.
Your fervent denial of this truth throws your whole time line askew.
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The 7 times are not years. They are the same time period as the statue in Daniel 2.
This is proven by the angel in Dan. 12 that states that it will be 3 1/2 times (from Babylon) until the power of the holy people are scattered, which is 70 ad.
The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 ad until 1967 when Israel was restored to control of Jerusalem, ending the time of the statue and the times of the gentiles.
The Revelation is centered on describing the second 3 1/2 times from 70 ad until 1967, the restoration and final end of Israel on this planet.
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Have you made your posts so that I cannot reply to them line by line?
Is that intentional? Or by accident?
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The beast/Rome that comes out of the abyss with his army/nation in the 5th trumpet is the spirit of Satan, the spirit to destroy Israel (1929).
But we both know that the iron dragon beast nation is Rome. The iron in the statue of Daniel 2 (No gaps), and the 4th beast of Daniel 7.
And the Antichrist leader, false prophet of the beast is Caesar and his image the Bishop of Rome (BoR).
Who was the Antichrist iron nation 500 years ago? Who is the iron Antichrist nation today? (Vatican/image) (No gaps in the iron time line of Dan. 2)
Caesar and the BoR have attacked Israel wild and natural branches for the last 2000 years.
That was the great tribulation, when Israel was attacked by the beast Antichrist iron dragon NATION Rome. 70 ad thru 1967.
The Antichrist has been here all the time, and you are saying, no, no, the Antichrist is not the murderer of millions of true Christians and natural branches of Israel for the last 2000 years.
He is not revealed yet,
But he is, and has been, and you are helping to hide him, being deceived by the pre-trib time line.
Your fervent denial of this truth throws your whole time line askew.
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The 7 times are not years. They are the same time period as the statue in Daniel 2.
This is proven by the angel in Dan. 12 that states that it will be 3 1/2 times (from Babylon) until the power of the holy people are scattered, which is 70 ad.
The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 ad until 1967 when Israel was restored to control of Jerusalem, ending the time of the statue and the times of the gentiles.
The Revelation is centered on describing the second 3 1/2 times from 70 ad until 1967, the restoration and final end of Israel on this planet.
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Brother Endo,
They seem to be closed only to you. The rest of us can read commentaries and different opinions to find the answers.
Why don't you ask if you don't know the answers?
Oh, because it is easier to throw up your hands and say that cannot be understood?
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You have already been shown that both Daniel and the Revelation are open to be understood now and can be explained, but rather than have a detailed discussion you just say that you really have no understanding of the topics and don't want to understand.
They seem to be closed only to you. The rest of us can read commentaries and different opinions to find the answers.
Why don't you ask if you don't know the answers?
Oh, because it is easier to throw up your hands and say that cannot be understood?
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You have already been shown that both Daniel and the Revelation are open to be understood now and can be explained, but rather than have a detailed discussion you just say that you really have no understanding of the topics and don't want to understand.
Then the seventh Angel blew his Trumpet and there were loud voices in heaven saying
The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ and
he shall reign for ever and ever And the twenty four Elders who sat on their thrones
before God fell on their faces and worshiped God saying ''We give thanks to thee
Lord God Almighty who art who wast that thou hast taken thy great power and
begun to reign. The nations raged but thy wrath came and the time for the dead
to be judged for rewarding thy servants the prophets and saints and those who fear
thy name both small and great and for destroying the destroyers of the earth Then
Gods Temple in heaven was opened and the ark of the covenant was seen within the
Temple and there were flashes of lightning voices peals of thunder an earthquake
and heavy hail
REV 11: 15-19 RSV
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the Sun will be darkened and the moon
shall not give its light and the stars will fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens
will be shaken. Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and the tribes of
the earth will mourn and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory and he will send his Angels with a loud trumpet call and they
will gather his elect from one end of heaven to the other.
MATT 24: 29-31 RSV
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command with the archangels call
and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are
left shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we
shall always be with the Lord
1 THESS 4: 16-17 RSV
To start with to get your comment about the trumpet one needs to read the KJV translation
there are plenty of other translations that include the word trumpet in the verse. In any case
what else would the Angel sound?
The word 'last' doesn't appear in the verse but there are six others before the seventh and
no more in Revelation after the seventh so the seventh trumpet is the last as far as the book
goes.
The passages above appear to me that there is a very strong indication that the seventh trumpet
is the same one that is blown at the second coming.
In Matthew Jesus plainly states that his coming will take place immediately after the tribulation
not before and that the Angels will be sent to gather his elect. Far from being a secret rapture
he states that the tribes of the earth will mourn.
In Revelation the elders say immediately after the seventh trumpet is blown that the kingdom
of the earth was now the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ and it was time for judging and
rewarding the dead. This ties in with a number of Parables such as the wheat and the Tares and
the sheep and the goats. It doesnt tie in with a secret rapture taking place seven years before
One would have to believe in two raptures one at the start of the tribulation and one at the end
at the ''public'' coming of Christ.
In Thessalonians Paul describes Christs coming as being accompanied with a cry of command and
a trumpet blast to say this is a different trumpet to that mentioned in Revelation and by Christ
himself beggars belief.
Finally the Feast of trumpets held in September/October is associated with the coming of the Messiah
and the end of the age. When Jesus said that no one knows the day or the hour he was quoting a saying
used at the time because the feast started when the first glimpse of the new moon was sighted by the
High Priest at the temple mount. Two days were allocated for the sighting to be made to allow for bad
weather conditions.
The fall of Jerecho is a type of the day of judgement. Seven trumpets were used and the people were
told to shout on the seventh day.
The kingdom of the world has become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ and
he shall reign for ever and ever And the twenty four Elders who sat on their thrones
before God fell on their faces and worshiped God saying ''We give thanks to thee
Lord God Almighty who art who wast that thou hast taken thy great power and
begun to reign. The nations raged but thy wrath came and the time for the dead
to be judged for rewarding thy servants the prophets and saints and those who fear
thy name both small and great and for destroying the destroyers of the earth Then
Gods Temple in heaven was opened and the ark of the covenant was seen within the
Temple and there were flashes of lightning voices peals of thunder an earthquake
and heavy hail
REV 11: 15-19 RSV
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the Sun will be darkened and the moon
shall not give its light and the stars will fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens
will be shaken. Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and the tribes of
the earth will mourn and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven
with power and great glory and he will send his Angels with a loud trumpet call and they
will gather his elect from one end of heaven to the other.
MATT 24: 29-31 RSV
For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command with the archangels call
and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first then we who are
left shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we
shall always be with the Lord
1 THESS 4: 16-17 RSV
To start with to get your comment about the trumpet one needs to read the KJV translation
there are plenty of other translations that include the word trumpet in the verse. In any case
what else would the Angel sound?
The word 'last' doesn't appear in the verse but there are six others before the seventh and
no more in Revelation after the seventh so the seventh trumpet is the last as far as the book
goes.
The passages above appear to me that there is a very strong indication that the seventh trumpet
is the same one that is blown at the second coming.
In Matthew Jesus plainly states that his coming will take place immediately after the tribulation
not before and that the Angels will be sent to gather his elect. Far from being a secret rapture
he states that the tribes of the earth will mourn.
In Revelation the elders say immediately after the seventh trumpet is blown that the kingdom
of the earth was now the kingdom of our Lord and his Christ and it was time for judging and
rewarding the dead. This ties in with a number of Parables such as the wheat and the Tares and
the sheep and the goats. It doesnt tie in with a secret rapture taking place seven years before
One would have to believe in two raptures one at the start of the tribulation and one at the end
at the ''public'' coming of Christ.
In Thessalonians Paul describes Christs coming as being accompanied with a cry of command and
a trumpet blast to say this is a different trumpet to that mentioned in Revelation and by Christ
himself beggars belief.
Finally the Feast of trumpets held in September/October is associated with the coming of the Messiah
and the end of the age. When Jesus said that no one knows the day or the hour he was quoting a saying
used at the time because the feast started when the first glimpse of the new moon was sighted by the
High Priest at the temple mount. Two days were allocated for the sighting to be made to allow for bad
weather conditions.
The fall of Jerecho is a type of the day of judgement. Seven trumpets were used and the people were
told to shout on the seventh day.
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I stand on what is stated in Daniel 12.
Daniel 12 AMPC
3 And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness (to uprightness and right standing with God) [shall give forth light] like the stars forever and ever.
4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God’s purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great.
Daniel 12 AMPC
8 And I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, O my lord, what shall be the issue and final end of these things?
9 And he [the angel] said, Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed till the time of the end.
Please explain to me how you can say the book of Daniel is not closed considering these verses. Go to biblegateway.com and look them up for yourself. You can change the translation from one to another and see if any translation says it differently. I made my previous statement based on these verses which for some reason you reject them. The end will comecome after the third temple is built and Jesus returns with the whole world watching not just Jerusalem as some try to say. Also he will be on the throne in Jerusalem as stated in Isaiah. Since the third temple has to be built on the excavated site of the first two with the Gihon Springs under it providing water to purify the priests so they can do priestly duties.
Second temple location - where was it built
Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple
Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y
Daniel 12 AMPC
3 And the teachers and those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness (to uprightness and right standing with God) [shall give forth light] like the stars forever and ever.
4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the Book until the time of the end. [Then] many shall run to and fro and search anxiously [through the Book], and knowledge [of God’s purposes as revealed by His prophets] shall be increased and become great.
Daniel 12 AMPC
8 And I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, O my lord, what shall be the issue and final end of these things?
9 And he [the angel] said, Go your way, Daniel, for the words are shut up and sealed till the time of the end.
Please explain to me how you can say the book of Daniel is not closed considering these verses. Go to biblegateway.com and look them up for yourself. You can change the translation from one to another and see if any translation says it differently. I made my previous statement based on these verses which for some reason you reject them. The end will comecome after the third temple is built and Jesus returns with the whole world watching not just Jerusalem as some try to say. Also he will be on the throne in Jerusalem as stated in Isaiah. Since the third temple has to be built on the excavated site of the first two with the Gihon Springs under it providing water to purify the priests so they can do priestly duties.
Second temple location - where was it built
Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple
Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y
"blew his trumpet" is NOT in the Greek text. That was added by some translators gratuitously.
CRITICAL TEXT
Καὶ ὁ ἕβδομος ἄγγελος ἐσάλπισεν (And the seventh angel sounded)
RECEIVED TEXT
Καὶ ὁ ἕβδομος ἄγγελος ἐσάλπισεν (And the seventh angel sounded)
KING JAMES BIBLE
And the seventh angel sounded
AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
And the seventh angel sounded
ENGLISH REVISED VERSION
And the seventh angel sounded
So neither "last" nor "trumpet" is in the actual text. Which means that the whole idea of a last trumpet being mentioned in Revelation is BOGUS.
CRITICAL TEXT
Καὶ ὁ ἕβδομος ἄγγελος ἐσάλπισεν (And the seventh angel sounded)
RECEIVED TEXT
Καὶ ὁ ἕβδομος ἄγγελος ἐσάλπισεν (And the seventh angel sounded)
KING JAMES BIBLE
And the seventh angel sounded
AMERICAN STANDARD VERSION
And the seventh angel sounded
ENGLISH REVISED VERSION
And the seventh angel sounded
So neither "last" nor "trumpet" is in the actual text. Which means that the whole idea of a last trumpet being mentioned in Revelation is BOGUS.
No! Who throw everyone into confusion is the Religious System which, through its leaders, do what was predicted in the Holy Scripture:
Unfortunately, as people do not meditate with honesty and seriousness on the Holy Scripture, they become like children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4.14).
- "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." (2Peter 2.1-3).
Unfortunately, as people do not meditate with honesty and seriousness on the Holy Scripture, they become like children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive (Eph 4.14).