Sin More? So Many, So Fuzzy.
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Paul said we do not void out the law through faith, but we establish the law, and the law is spiritual, holy, just, and good.
So only Paul can talk about the law but no one else.
The Bible says if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit which there is no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able to bear, and will give them a way out of the temptation so that they can endure it.
So there is no excuse, and we become like Jesus by allowing the Spirit to lead us, and abstain from sin, which we have the same power as Jesus to overcome the flesh by the Spirit.
So we cannot abstain from sin, and sin daily, and sin does not affect our relationship with God, does not apply.
Paul rebuked many people for sins, and doing things that were wrong according to the flesh, so Paul is the only one that can do that.
But what is strange is they say they cannot abstain from sin, and sin daily, but when they sin they enjoy the sin, for if they did not enjoy the sin they would not do it, so if they enjoy the sin then they did it on purpose.
Which means they are not trying to beat sins but enjoy them, and then want an excuse and say they cannot abstain from sin.
Also we have a choice between good and evil, so if they did the evil they could of done the good, and nobody forced them to sin.
Even the world knows the people who claim Christianity can abstain from sin, for they call them hypocrites, which testifies the world knows they can abstain from sin, but they enjoy sin because they are of the flesh.
There is no struggling with sin, but not submitting to the Spirit.
But it is strange that they sin and enjoy it, and then say they cannot abstain from sins, which they are not trying to beat sins, or allow the Spirit to lead them to beat the sin, and then they want an excuse for their sins.
The Bible does not say if a person confesses Christ they are not under the law, for many are called but few are chosen, but those led of the Spirit are not under the law, because their sins are forgiven, and they are abstaining from sin, therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
But that is strange that they sin on purpose, because they enjoy the sin, and then want an excuse for the sin, as if they could not abstain from sin, but they enjoy the sin.
The only way that we cannot abstain from sin would be true is if our body commenced to sinning, and we did not have the power to stop it, and all the while it was sinning we were thinking, don't do this oh body of mine, and I will not enjoy it, and hate what thou doest.
Then we cannot abstain from sin would be true, but if a person sins, and enjoys the sin, they did it on purpose, and was in cahoots together with their body to do this sin.
So why do they want an excuse, and I will tell you why, because they cannot be wrong in their relationship with God for even a microsecond, and they know they sin, and enjoy it, so of course they cannot abstain from sin, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, so they can always be right with God every microsecond that ticks on.
Why, because if they believe that they are wrong with God, for even a microsecond, then they would have to admit that they could miss out on salvation if they do not take heed to themselves.
So they will believe an illusion so they can enjoy sin, and believe they are still right with God.
So only Paul can talk about the law but no one else.
The Bible says if a person hates sin, and does not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts, and show the ways of the Spirit which there is no ways of the flesh there, and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able to bear, and will give them a way out of the temptation so that they can endure it.
So there is no excuse, and we become like Jesus by allowing the Spirit to lead us, and abstain from sin, which we have the same power as Jesus to overcome the flesh by the Spirit.
So we cannot abstain from sin, and sin daily, and sin does not affect our relationship with God, does not apply.
Paul rebuked many people for sins, and doing things that were wrong according to the flesh, so Paul is the only one that can do that.
But what is strange is they say they cannot abstain from sin, and sin daily, but when they sin they enjoy the sin, for if they did not enjoy the sin they would not do it, so if they enjoy the sin then they did it on purpose.
Which means they are not trying to beat sins but enjoy them, and then want an excuse and say they cannot abstain from sin.
Also we have a choice between good and evil, so if they did the evil they could of done the good, and nobody forced them to sin.
Even the world knows the people who claim Christianity can abstain from sin, for they call them hypocrites, which testifies the world knows they can abstain from sin, but they enjoy sin because they are of the flesh.
There is no struggling with sin, but not submitting to the Spirit.
But it is strange that they sin and enjoy it, and then say they cannot abstain from sins, which they are not trying to beat sins, or allow the Spirit to lead them to beat the sin, and then they want an excuse for their sins.
The Bible does not say if a person confesses Christ they are not under the law, for many are called but few are chosen, but those led of the Spirit are not under the law, because their sins are forgiven, and they are abstaining from sin, therefore the law cannot touch them for prosecution.
But that is strange that they sin on purpose, because they enjoy the sin, and then want an excuse for the sin, as if they could not abstain from sin, but they enjoy the sin.
The only way that we cannot abstain from sin would be true is if our body commenced to sinning, and we did not have the power to stop it, and all the while it was sinning we were thinking, don't do this oh body of mine, and I will not enjoy it, and hate what thou doest.
Then we cannot abstain from sin would be true, but if a person sins, and enjoys the sin, they did it on purpose, and was in cahoots together with their body to do this sin.
So why do they want an excuse, and I will tell you why, because they cannot be wrong in their relationship with God for even a microsecond, and they know they sin, and enjoy it, so of course they cannot abstain from sin, and sin does not affect their relationship with God, so they can always be right with God every microsecond that ticks on.
Why, because if they believe that they are wrong with God, for even a microsecond, then they would have to admit that they could miss out on salvation if they do not take heed to themselves.
So they will believe an illusion so they can enjoy sin, and believe they are still right with God.
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Fist you should really make an effort to post what you are saying in lieu of putting chapter and verse numbers. Those numbers were not there when these source manuscriptus were written.
Romans 6:6 supports the op 100%.
Fist you should really make an effort to post what you are saying in lieu of putting chapter and verse numbers. Those numbers were not there when these source manuscriptus were written.
Romans 6:6 supports the op 100%.
You of all people should not go around calling other posters fools. You started this thread so you began by calling others who hold to the view that one cannot lose their salvation as calling for living a sinful life. Thou hypocrite. You wash the outside of the cup but fail to clean the inward parts. That is what Jesus had to say about the Pharisees on this subject.
Abraham never called Jehovah God his Father. Are you an adopted son of God?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Abraham never called Jehovah God his Father. Are you an adopted son of God?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
By all appearances you are here more to condmen than to dialogue, as usual for you.
You do know Jehovah is a totally erroneous manner to type Yod Hay Vav Hay......transliterate and transliterated as Yahweh? More misdirecting,. Go back. Read teh op, and do attempt to understand it.
To teach OSAS is contrary to the New Testament, although it would be wonderful were it the truth for so many of us; then we would not have to concern ourselves with improving our lot by some effort on our part.......but this is not the case thus in gratitude to our Savior we do our best to obey Him........also, it is His will.
DO NOT TEACH THAT OUR LORD CAME TO ABOLISH THE LAW......LEARN WHAT HE IS SAYING WHEN HE SAYS HE CAME TO FULFILL IT.....BIG DIFFERENCE..
You do know Jehovah is a totally erroneous manner to type Yod Hay Vav Hay......transliterate and transliterated as Yahweh? More misdirecting,. Go back. Read teh op, and do attempt to understand it.
To teach OSAS is contrary to the New Testament, although it would be wonderful were it the truth for so many of us; then we would not have to concern ourselves with improving our lot by some effort on our part.......but this is not the case thus in gratitude to our Savior we do our best to obey Him........also, it is His will.
DO NOT TEACH THAT OUR LORD CAME TO ABOLISH THE LAW......LEARN WHAT HE IS SAYING WHEN HE SAYS HE CAME TO FULFILL IT.....BIG DIFFERENCE..
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As usual you are quite wrong. I have always taught the Christ came to fulfill the law not to abolish it. Christ fulfilled the law and paid the price the law demanded. We are saved from the penalty of the law. We are to live righteously before the Lord Jesus.
You still demonstrate a fear to approach God by not mentioning His name as Father. You are distancing yourself when you should be drawing near to Him. The is simply nothing wrong with distinguishing the Father as Jehovah God.
We are invited to come into the presence of our heavenly Father and to come boldly. He seeks a Father son dialog with us. The vail is rent in twain we are now free to enter where we were previously forbidden.
You need to put the law into its proper place and not hide behind it when God bids to come to Him.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
We are under the New Covenant and have received the Spirit of adoption whereby we cry Abba Fathers.
Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Ga 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You still demonstrate a fear to approach God by not mentioning His name as Father. You are distancing yourself when you should be drawing near to Him. The is simply nothing wrong with distinguishing the Father as Jehovah God.
We are invited to come into the presence of our heavenly Father and to come boldly. He seeks a Father son dialog with us. The vail is rent in twain we are now free to enter where we were previously forbidden.
You need to put the law into its proper place and not hide behind it when God bids to come to Him.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
We are under the New Covenant and have received the Spirit of adoption whereby we cry Abba Fathers.
Ro 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Ga 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Fear to approach God? Gee, I guess you have not read my personal testimony. Yet, you know all about everything and every one. I think you should cool your jets for a short period, until you realize you do not know all about a person from a single post.......
You have assessed you know all about me in broad, very broad terms avoicing the posst you feign to be responding to.
You have assessed you know all about me in broad, very broad terms avoicing the posst you feign to be responding to.
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I'm curious as to why you would not be allowed to say, "law" ?
I think a lot of confusion concerning the teachings of Christ arise because people may try to navigate what they've been taught in their church and have it comport with what Jesus taught through his words.
Martin Luther was one that said, “Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly.”
I've met some who think this dismisses eternal salvation because it imparts the idea we can be redeemed in Christ and yet continue to sin as we will because we are always saved.
Salvation is what Jesus said it is. All else is false.
I think a lot of confusion concerning the teachings of Christ arise because people may try to navigate what they've been taught in their church and have it comport with what Jesus taught through his words.
Martin Luther was one that said, “Be a sinner and sin boldly, but believe and rejoice in Christ even more boldly.”
I've met some who think this dismisses eternal salvation because it imparts the idea we can be redeemed in Christ and yet continue to sin as we will because we are always saved.
Salvation is what Jesus said it is. All else is false.
When we are redeemed in Christ we are no longer the former self. The sinner.
That doesn't mean we are perfect it means we are in God's grace and are eternally forgiven. We repent of our sins when we transgress God's righteous teachings , we confess, meaning we agree with God's ordinances concerning right and wrong. Recognizing what we did in error and knowing the better way to proceed in future.
It doesn't mean if we don't repent God removes us from his grace. No one can do that We are sealed eternally as his own.
Romans6 verse is a great example of errant teaching that breeches context.
The wages of sin is death for those who are still dead in their sin. Those who are not in Christ.
Paul's epistle in Romans 6 was a narrative as to what it means to be dead in our sins and yet how we can overcome that through the gift of God and eternal life through Jesus Christ.
Romans 6 was not a teaching to the Ekklesia. It was a warning and an invitation to sinners.
That doesn't mean we are perfect it means we are in God's grace and are eternally forgiven. We repent of our sins when we transgress God's righteous teachings , we confess, meaning we agree with God's ordinances concerning right and wrong. Recognizing what we did in error and knowing the better way to proceed in future.
It doesn't mean if we don't repent God removes us from his grace. No one can do that We are sealed eternally as his own.
Romans6 verse is a great example of errant teaching that breeches context.
The wages of sin is death for those who are still dead in their sin. Those who are not in Christ.
Paul's epistle in Romans 6 was a narrative as to what it means to be dead in our sins and yet how we can overcome that through the gift of God and eternal life through Jesus Christ.
Romans 6 was not a teaching to the Ekklesia. It was a warning and an invitation to sinners.
S
That's my point, you can find verses to support a number of views, hence why I believe the Bible disproves it self in being a consistent and inerrent document that hosts the words of the creator between its covers.
How can God have varying views? Why would God take so long to pull together the "correct" documents that would go into the cannon?
Why are most of the documents from the 2nd century and onward? Why weren't they written and preserved from the 1st century? Why are there only copies of copies of which there are more discrepancies and variations than actual words in the New Testament?
Why did the Porto orthodox "win" the battle of which Christianity is the correct one? Why are the Catholics the biggest branch in Christianity?
Why are the Judaic religions the leading religions?
Why is The Bhagavad-Gita eerily reminiscent to much of the "Christian" ideology of salvation through textual message and revelation?
Is it a coincidence that christianity rose under Roman rule?
How can God have varying views? Why would God take so long to pull together the "correct" documents that would go into the cannon?
Why are most of the documents from the 2nd century and onward? Why weren't they written and preserved from the 1st century? Why are there only copies of copies of which there are more discrepancies and variations than actual words in the New Testament?
Why did the Porto orthodox "win" the battle of which Christianity is the correct one? Why are the Catholics the biggest branch in Christianity?
Why are the Judaic religions the leading religions?
Why is The Bhagavad-Gita eerily reminiscent to much of the "Christian" ideology of salvation through textual message and revelation?
Is it a coincidence that christianity rose under Roman rule?
Just because you continue to sin until you drop dead doesn't mean your a salve of sin. A soldier who fights his enemy is not a salve of his enemy, but none the less he has to interact with the enemy.
Don't be fooled by the "sinless perfection mob" they are deceived by holding on to their good works for their justification. The Bible says our best works are as filthy rags in the sight of God
Don't be fooled by the "sinless perfection mob" they are deceived by holding on to their good works for their justification. The Bible says our best works are as filthy rags in the sight of God
S
A soldier cannot act on his own behalf, he can only do what he is told.
I had a brother serve in the air force for 5 years, he said it was hell. No automonony.
If sin was the battle, I thought it was already won? Why the heck are we still fighting if Jesus supposedly already beat sin on the cross?
It's all a farce! Makes no sense.
When Jesus defeated the powers of darkness and sin on the cross, He purchased forgiveness and reconciliation with God. We haven't yet received our full reward but we have the guarantee of salvation and eternal paradise. We continue to wrestle against our flesh until we die, then we will finally be free of sin and temptation.
Christ gave us all the weapons we need to become conquerors, but we must fight the good fight. So take heart and go into the battle with all guns blazing and you shall overcome the flesh with His help.
Christ gave us all the weapons we need to become conquerors, but we must fight the good fight. So take heart and go into the battle with all guns blazing and you shall overcome the flesh with His help.
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