Are sacraments biblical?
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Just one of the named sacrements enfor4ced by certain denominations. That called extreme unction, the last rites in common language.
Somehow those great minds of the hierarchy of the RCC read how when one is ill call the elders to anoint the one who is ill after hearing his or her confession, and the guilt of his or her sin will be overlooked and healing will ensue..........from this those great minds derive the last rites....go figure.
It is a grave pity aht apostasy trumps God's Word with many false believers or believers who are in error.
God bless you always.
Somehow those great minds of the hierarchy of the RCC read how when one is ill call the elders to anoint the one who is ill after hearing his or her confession, and the guilt of his or her sin will be overlooked and healing will ensue..........from this those great minds derive the last rites....go figure.
It is a grave pity aht apostasy trumps God's Word with many false believers or believers who are in error.
God bless you always.
Of course they are Biblical because they are instituted by Christ to give grace.
Because RCC believes in apostolic succession and Godly members of RCC clergy are successors of the apostles.
The apostles were given by Jesus the power to forgive sin as mentioned in John Chapter 20.
then it was passed to the successors.
I really can't fathom how some newly established sects telling they are Born Again but has no existence since 1st century and its pastors are not even successors of the Apostles.
perhaps most of these "Born again" groups are indeed business using God's words to get a lot of money from its members by their greedy pastors and even police will join these groups and these groups will never be persecuted by the law.
some politicians might even ask support and some votes from these so called "Born again" groups.
Because RCC believes in apostolic succession and Godly members of RCC clergy are successors of the apostles.
The apostles were given by Jesus the power to forgive sin as mentioned in John Chapter 20.
then it was passed to the successors.
I really can't fathom how some newly established sects telling they are Born Again but has no existence since 1st century and its pastors are not even successors of the Apostles.
perhaps most of these "Born again" groups are indeed business using God's words to get a lot of money from its members by their greedy pastors and even police will join these groups and these groups will never be persecuted by the law.
some politicians might even ask support and some votes from these so called "Born again" groups.
Allow me to find that grain of salt.
Jesus told Nicodemus, "You must be born again to enter into the Kingdom of God." This applies to me and all my family in Jesus.
The very well-educated teachers of the RCC and most protestant denominations should be ashamed of themselves for all the words and traditions they have attempted to credit our Father with.
By the way, my faith long predates the late comer RCC, it is the faith of Abraham as taught b Jeus Christ..
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No sacraments, that can be purchased with $$$$$ as self-glorifying or edifying works a person does to give the illusion as an outward sign to confirm the filling of the Holy Spirit.
The RCC who preach another gospel other than all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptural) added a new meaning to the word "apostle" and in doing so violated the warning in Deuteronomy 4:3
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.Deuteronomy4;3
It is a different warning than the one in the chapter or book of Revelation in so much that it is in respect to the whole bible not to add or subtract while the Deuteronomy warning is in respect to one word. The Holy Spirit required both warning to be obeyed in order to protect the integrity of His living abiding word.
The English word "sent one" can be used to replace the Greek form of sent one(apostle)
The RCC have simply confused the meaning in a hope to take way the authority of God's word (sola scriptura) giving it to men .
All of those sent out into the world with the good news would be consider sent ones (apostles)
Mark 16:15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
The 12 a remnant of all the apostles listed by name in the new testament (25)are set aside for a certain purpose to be used as metaphors in various parable for a particular purpose .( 12 represent the authority of God)
Again, those who add meaning to a single word violate the law not to. Can changing one meaning can change the authors original intent
I would think in the true sense of the word ( sent one apostle) Abel in whom God sent was the first apostle. His brother did not desire to hear the good news so He killed him
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.Geneisis 4
The RCC who preach another gospel other than all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptural) added a new meaning to the word "apostle" and in doing so violated the warning in Deuteronomy 4:3
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.Deuteronomy4;3
It is a different warning than the one in the chapter or book of Revelation in so much that it is in respect to the whole bible not to add or subtract while the Deuteronomy warning is in respect to one word. The Holy Spirit required both warning to be obeyed in order to protect the integrity of His living abiding word.
The English word "sent one" can be used to replace the Greek form of sent one(apostle)
The RCC have simply confused the meaning in a hope to take way the authority of God's word (sola scriptura) giving it to men .
All of those sent out into the world with the good news would be consider sent ones (apostles)
Mark 16:15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
The 12 a remnant of all the apostles listed by name in the new testament (25)are set aside for a certain purpose to be used as metaphors in various parable for a particular purpose .( 12 represent the authority of God)
Again, those who add meaning to a single word violate the law not to. Can changing one meaning can change the authors original intent
I would think in the true sense of the word ( sent one apostle) Abel in whom God sent was the first apostle. His brother did not desire to hear the good news so He killed him
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.Geneisis 4
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I like the salt quote. I would suggest the faith of (coming from) Christ as our new born again faith …..by which we can beleive (towards Him), as that which mutually works in all believers .
If we would have the "faith of Christ" as that which comes by hearing God in respect to Abraham or Rebab in the same chapter, or in respect to any believers we would be blaspheming his name (attributing the work of one to another) by which we are called heavenward.
My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.James2 :7
In verse 7 the conclusion, setting the context of that chapter which speaks of a imputed righteousness. Not of(coming from) Abraham or Rehab .
Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called? James2 :7
Many paraphrases have destroyed the context of that chapter and use the word in (towards) Christ to represent our new faith... previously having "no faith" towards God. As always he must do the first works or labor of Love in us, our first love . .
It is odd how so many do not realize the faith giveneach os us is agift from the Father to draw us to Jesus Christ. Even more odd is that it takes us so long to understand that Jesus Christ is the One Who gave us that gift, that is, Jesus is the Everlasting Father...and more...God is One, He always has been, and He always will be.
Let us put on the praises of our Maker and His righteousness so we be found dressed for His Kingdom. Of course those garments will be made gleaming white before His Throne..the Throne of David (Beloved).
Isaiah 9:6
Let us put on the praises of our Maker and His righteousness so we be found dressed for His Kingdom. Of course those garments will be made gleaming white before His Throne..the Throne of David (Beloved).
Isaiah 9:6
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The real problem is that the Roman Catholic church teaches that through the sacraments we are given grace toward our redemption. This is wholly untrue and contemptable doctrine.
God has given for us His Son a sacrifice sufficient to redeem our souls by satisfying the demand of the law of our eternal death. It is by Gods mercy that we are saved.
Water baptism and communion are rites given only for those who are already saved and sealed unto the day of redemption. You may include foot washing but that is not done much anymore. Few are humble enough to wash another's feet and we do not wear sandals as a rule so we do not have the dirt on our feet like those of apostolic times.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God has given for us His Son a sacrifice sufficient to redeem our souls by satisfying the demand of the law of our eternal death. It is by Gods mercy that we are saved.
Water baptism and communion are rites given only for those who are already saved and sealed unto the day of redemption. You may include foot washing but that is not done much anymore. Few are humble enough to wash another's feet and we do not wear sandals as a rule so we do not have the dirt on our feet like those of apostolic times.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Read the New Testament......there were many who were baptized after receiving the Holy Spirit, and many were baptized of water first.......
I received God's Spirit into me first and then was baptized of water. I did not feel I needed the water baptism but thenI realized it is good to do in obedience and imitation of our Lord Who did.
It is nice to be drawn to Jesus Christ by the Father, His Holy Spirit, only to learn Jesus is the everlasting Father........God is One.....Isaiah 9:6
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I think they sell them as sacraments or ceremonial laws. Either way they are buying their way to heaven by something they think they can do .
According to Catholicism eternal punishment is wiped away when the sacrament of Penance is received.
Simon who was confused like the Catholic and sign seekers with the laying on of hand a metaphor to represent agreement with the will of God offered money.
And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Acts 8:18 -20
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Those who believe in sacraments consider them to be "a means of grace". IOW God's grace flows to Christians THROUGH sacraments. But that is not really what is revealed in Scripture regarding water baptism and the Lord's Supper (although the Catholic and Orthodox churches have more sacraments). For Catholics, the sacraments are necessary for salvation, which again is not taught in Scripture.
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