Speaking in tongues

[notuptome]

You really aren't paying attention. For the umpteenth time, nobody (that I'm aware of) is claiming that present-day prophecy is additions to Scripture. So kindly stop asserting that is what people are claiming.

There are prophecies spoken of (by Saul and Philip's daughters) which are not recorded in Scripture, proving that not all prophecy is Scripture. The comments about faulty prophecy are completely irrelevant.

Really? faulty prophecy was punishable by death. Ugly but true.

If you open the door to new prophecy you will have some that will assert it is new revelation and should be included in scripture. Remember those Gnostic gospels?

Prophecy is another sign gift that has ended. Scripture stands on it's own authority and impressed upon our hearts by the gift of the Holy Spirit given to us at the moment we are saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

My words were, "the prophecies given by Saul and Philip's daughters are not recorded in Scripture." It would be more valuable if you responded to what I actually wrote, instead of taking bits out of context.

But I did respond. I beginning to think you not know what prophecy is?

If its not recorded in scripture it is not the prophecy of God, but that rather of the private interpretation of men .No difference than the supposed missing prophecies of Enoch.

Why go above that which is written? Is there a law missing by which we could known him more complexly as perfect. The perfect has come . The question I would ask is can a person get under its authority or does the perfect fall short of His glory?

 

[Noose]

I am assuming, when you talk about the required number you are thinking of this:

Rev 7:4-8 KJV And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. (5) Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. (6) Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. (7) Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. (8) Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

That and this:

Rev 6:9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,e were killed just as they had been.

 

[Dino246]

Actually there is:

Jer 31:
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”

The kingdom of God is a kingdom of priests- no priest prophesies to another priest, no priest heals another priest, no priest speaks in tongues to another priest, what you see today is exercise in futility.

This verse does support what 1 Cor 13:8 says; it does not support the interpretation that they will cease with the death of the first apostles.

 

[Dino246]

But I did respond. I beginning to think you not know what prophecy is?

If its not recorded in scripture it is not the prophecy of God, but that rather of the private interpretation of men .No difference than the supposed missing prophecies of Enoch.

Why go above that which is written? Is there a law missing by which we could known him more complexly as perfect. The perfect has come . The question I would ask is can a person get under its authority or does the perfect fall short of His glory?

You misquoted me and responded to the misquotation rather than to what I actually wrote. I am well aware of what prophecy is... from Scripture. We disagree, and I can support my view from Scripture. I haven't seen that from you.

Did Philip's daughters prophesy or not? Scripture says they did. Is the content of their prophecy recorded in Scripture? No. Your view is incorrect.

You seem to think that God is no longer able to edify, exhort, and comfort people, which is the purpose of prophecy as described as in 1 Corinthians 14:3. When someone asserts that modern-day prophecy is equivalent to Scripture, then respond to that assertion. In the meantime, kindly stop responding to that assertion in your responses to me, because as I am not asserting it, it is irrelevant.

 

[Nehemiah6]

2 Peter 1:21 is addressing the source of prophecy; that's it, that's all. It does not state that every prophecy is Scripture.

There are many other Scriptures which confirm that all prophecy is THE WORD OF GOD. And simply because something is not recorded in Scripture does not mean that it was not the Word of God to those who heard that prophecy.

What you seem to be avoiding is the fact that prophecy is INVARIABLY the words of God, therefore the Word of God, whether recorded in our Bible or not.

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. (Deut 18:20)

 

[Noose]

This verse does support what 1 Cor 13:8 says; it does not support the interpretation that they will cease with the death of the first apostles.

If you are going to argue about that verse (Jer 31), talk about it directly:
-When did the new covenant start?
-Does brother still teach another brother against what is being said in Jer 31? and why is that?
-Can anyone go around teaching people what is already written in their hearts?
-Can anyone go around healing people who have healing in their heart?
-Can any one purport to prophesy to people who already have the prophesy in their heart?

Exercise in futility it is.

 

[Dino246]

There are many other Scriptures which confirm that all prophecy is THE WORD OF GOD. And simply because something is not recorded in Scripture does not mean that it was not the Word of God to those who heard that prophecy.

What you seem to be avoiding is the fact that prophecy is INVARIABLY the words of God, therefore the Word of God, whether recorded in our Bible or not.

But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. (Deut 18:20)

You are arguing issue "X", I am arguing issue "Q". When you want to discuss issue "Q", let me know.

 

[Dino246]

If you are going to argue about that verse (Jer 31), talk about it directly:
-When did the new covenant start?
-Does brother still teach another brother against what is being said in Jer 31? and why is that?
-Can anyone go around teaching people what is already written in their hearts?
-Can anyone go around healing people who have healing in their heart?
-Can any one purport to prophesy to people who already have the prophesy in their heart?

Exercise in futility it is.

And you're still trying to teach and thereby refuting your position. Futility, indeed.

 

[Noose]

And you're still trying to teach and thereby refuting your position. Futility, indeed.

And can you answer a question?

 

[garee]

You misquoted me and responded to the misquotation rather than to what I actually wrote. I am well aware of what prophecy is... from Scripture. We disagree, and I can support my view from Scripture. I haven't seen that from you.

Did Philip's daughters prophesy or not? Scripture says they did. Is the content of their prophecy recorded in Scripture? No. Your view is incorrect.

You seem to think that God is no longer able to edify, exhort, and comfort people, which is the purpose of prophecy as described as in 1 Corinthians 14:3. When someone asserts that modern-day prophecy is equivalent to Scripture, then respond to that assertion. In the meantime, kindly stop responding to that assertion in your responses to me, because as I am not asserting it, it is irrelevant.

What did they prophecy?

Is speaking in tongues prophecy ?

 

[notuptome]

What did they prophecy?

Is speaking in tongues prophecy ?

Doesn't matter if the prophecy was not to Israel and from God.

Speaking in tongues is not biblical under the New Covenant. Sons do not converse with their Father in baby talk. The vail has been rent in twain so the children of God have access to the presence of God Whom they are able to call Abba Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Dino246]

What did they prophecy?

What Philip's daughters prophesied is not recorded in Scripture, as I have stated at least three times.

Is speaking in tongues prophecy ?

No, according to 1 Corinthians 12 and 14.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Doesn't matter if the prophecy was not to Israel and from God.

Speaking in tongues is not biblical under the New Covenant. Sons do not converse with their Father in baby talk. The vail has been rent in twain so the children of God have access to the presence of God Whom they are able to call Abba Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

LOL! Speaking in tongues is not baby talk! It is your spirit conversing with God who is Spirit. That new creation, the divine nature, that you were given when you were born again - conversing with God. (1 Cor. 14:2)

 

[shrume]

Speaking in tongues is not biblical under the New Covenant.

Were the Corinthians in the new covenant, or was the new covenant implemented after Paul penned 1 Corinthians?

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Sons do not converse with their Father in baby talk.

That's true, but speaking in tongues is not baby talk.

The vail has been rent in twain so the children of God have access to the presence of God Whom they are able to call Abba Father.

That part of your post is true.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Really? faulty prophecy was punishable by death. Ugly but true.

If you open the door to new prophecy you will have some that will assert it is new revelation and should be included in scripture. Remember those Gnostic gospels?

Prophecy is another sign gift that has ended. Scripture stands on it's own authority and impressed upon our hearts by the gift of the Holy Spirit given to us at the moment we are saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Prophecy in regard to the manifestation of the Spirit is NOT new revelation or scripture . . . to prophesy when manifesting the gift of holy spirit is speaking words of edification to the church. (14:4)

 

[notuptome]

Were the Corinthians in the new covenant, or was the new covenant implemented after Paul penned 1 Corinthians?

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.


That's true, but speaking in tongues is not baby talk.


That part of your post is true.

Ok was Paul speaking of the tongues demonstrated in Acts? If so then Paul was saying that if folks spoke in tongues as a sign they received the Holy Spirit when they just got saved then don't endeavor to prevent them. That does not give license to the common practice of speaking in tongues as a routine matter by selected souls in the worship service. In Acts tongues were a confirmatory sign of salvation. Not required but evidenced for the unsaved present at the time. Same instance as written in Mark 16.

Why do many assume that tongues were anything else by the time we get to Corinth? Interpretation in Acts was in the ears of the hearers. Separate interpreters not necessary. Should we expect the same in Corinth? I see no reason to expect different.

Believers are able to converse with the God of creation the Almighty God like a Father and son converse. What a great and holy privilege. The holy office of the prayer of the saints of God. Bearing burdens, supplications and petitions before God of Father.

How does one prophecy? Can one prophecy from the revelation written in the bible? Either testament? To whom does he prophecy and what about?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[peacefulbeliever]

This is prophecy - it is not scripture - but prophecy directly effecting Paul.

After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. Coming over to us, he took Paul's belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, The Holy Spirit says, In this way the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles. When we heard this, we and the people there pleaded with Paul not to go up to Jerusalem. . . (Acts 20). Paul went ahead and went to Jerusalem and this is exactly what happened to Paul. This is in the NT - this prophecy concerned a member of the church, the body of Christ. These things have not ended.

 

[notuptome]

Prophecy in regard to the manifestation of the Spirit is NOT new revelation or scripture . . . to prophesy when manifesting the gift of holy spirit is speaking words of edification to the church. (14:4)

I like what Scofield has to say in verse 1 of 1 Cor 14. "The NT prophet was not merely a preacher but an inspired preacher through whom until the NT was written new revelations suited to the new dispensation were given."

Verse 32 Paul under divine inspiration states that these prophets are subject to the prophets. These NT prophets must be in agreement with the OT prophets. Common to both is the divine Holy Spirit inspiration. So revered was this gift of prophecy that if a prophet gave a faulty prophecy they were deemed to not be of God and were to be stoned. The church is edified by truth not error.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[peacefulbeliever]

I like what Scofield has to say in verse 1 of 1 Cor 14. "The NT prophet was not merely a preacher but an inspired preacher through whom until the NT was written new revelations suited to the new dispensation were given."

Verse 32 Paul under divine inspiration states that these prophets are subject to the prophets. These NT prophets must be in agreement with the OT prophets. Common to both is the divine Holy Spirit inspiration. So revered was this gift of prophecy that if a prophet gave a faulty prophecy they were deemed to not be of God and were to be stoned. The church is edified by truth not error.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well, that's good but if you keep things in context . . . prophets - those prophesying - have control over when they prophesy in the church.

Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. . . .

Those prophesying can stop and start at will - they are in control.