What must I do to be saved

[Stunnedbygrace]

Here is where he proves he is a works salvationist <- he believes one walk saves -> or "unsaves" someone




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in response to a sister who actually shared the truth and said to be saved we must believe in Jesus (he is already making strawmen and attacking her character


he believes

capable to sin -> unsaved
unable to sin -> saved


and depending on which one of these you are at the moment

is how you can tell where youre are

he made many other strange claims

false statements

lies against brothers and sisters

insults


but im sure you just ignored them stunned

Now you are just being ridiculous. He did not say ones walk saves or unsaves someone. He plainly said he himself has known (since meeting God) BOTH abiding in Him AND walking in his own strength, as have ALL men who are being led of God have known, done and experienced.

And that is what he said and what you quoted from him in your previous post. The paragraph right above this one is my paraphrase of what he said (and you quoted from him).

You are seeing things the man did not say. You are processing what he said and arriving at something different than what he said.

I can't make you listen more carefully. It's up to you to do that. It's up to you to listen to ALL a man says instead of picking out how he worded one part of what he said and beginning a war with him over one sentence.

You are the one who is ignoring all else he said except for one sentence you bristled at and decided to go to war over.

I could actually and literally find a verse for every statement he made, so it is quite bizarre that you disagree with all he has said. To listen to you tell it, faith does not and never will result in a man learning the obedience of faith and learning to abide for longer periods of time (which is endurance and maturity), and grow in virtue.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

To be saved one must obey the commandments....which is to love others as yourself. This is the law and the prophets.

This is the one that got every ones knickers all balled up, right?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

So then:

In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 2 John 1:6. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. If you love me, keep my commandments.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

So, did the man say something awful? Or did he just say what scripture...says?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Or would you say instead that a man is saved even if he doesn't love God and doesn't keep His commands?

 

[jameen]

This scripture does not say we have to labor to stay saved.
2 Peter 1:5-8 5For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. 8For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our LORD Jesus Christ.

It tells us how we come more and more into the full blossom of being righteous examples of what it means to be saved.

is the word ADD an action word or not?

it is a verb or action word SO WE NEED AN ACTION TO BE SAVED.

please read to verse 9 okay of 2 Peter Chapter 1.

"But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. "

In the Bible where will the blind go?

Matthew 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

tsk tsk tsk will you be saved if you are blind because you do not add to your faith the ones mentioned in 2 Peter 1:5-8?

 

[jameen]

I thought so. What gave it away was when he said, "so SOLA FIDE is unbiblical."

Roman Catholicism obviously teaches salvation by works and not salvation through faith (rightly understood) IN CHRIST ALONE (Romans 3:22-28; 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).

Not all who have faith in Jesus is justified in God's eyes. like this:


Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

See it is very clear in the verse. let go of your pride and accept the Truth that SOLA FIDE IS FALSE.

you know it is good works that will test you if you really have FAITH IN GOD.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?


Ask your pastor if giving 10 percent is good work or not and if he says YES. then ask him if he is okay to him not to give 10 percent and if he disagrees then you may contemplate what it means hehehehehe

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I mean, otherwise, you paint yourself into an awful corner where you insist that to trust God will not lead to greater trust and will not lead to growth in virtue. You paint yourself into a corner where you are insisting a man trusts God, yet while trusting Him, somehow he does not become more like his Lord.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Not all who have faith in Jesus is justified in God's eyes. like this:

Well you have simply misunderstood that Scripture. Those people did not have genuine saving faith.

 

[Danny1988]

You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

The above sounds like what paul would be saying to the unsaved?? And all throughout the epistle he calls them brothers and sisters.

Yeah, they also called Judas a brother until he was exposed as a Devil

 

[Danny1988]

I disagree. Weak faith and no faith do not have the same result. God grows weak faith. (One may plant and another may water, but it is God who causes the growth). But no faith at all? Then there IS nothing to grow...

I also disagree that believing 90% of what Jesus taught is like not believing at all. You make it sound like faith is not a small seed that grows into the largest of trees...

I didn't word it properly, I meant "weak faith" can mean a person is only with Christ until the trials and persecution arrive then they depart from the faith.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

So, did the man say something awful? Or did he just say what scripture...says?

he twisted the meaning of scripture to imply it said things it did not

and i think the disconnect is coming from you agreeing with his false understanding

 

[NoNameMcgee]

People get hypnotized by people using pulpits. There is a phenomenon whereby a brainwashed person will only see what he has been programmed to see. So it is with modern religion. A person is told they are saved IN their sins...and then they can't see where the bible never says that but the opposite. They deny the word and Christ and denounce the one trying to show them the truth. It has always been this way.

Purity: to abide in Christ who is without any spot or wrinkle
Maturity: to REMAIN (abide) in Christ and bear the fruit of a holy walk JUST LIKE JESUS.

Define "cannot" sin. Check the Greek. It means "not possible"

stunnes <- you are blind if you read this mans trash and didnt see he clearly states


1 sin = unsaved




you can keep playing his silly little game with this guy

 

[NoNameMcgee]

latour


are you saying if someone sins

at any point

they arent saved

 

[mailmandan]

So then:

In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 2 John 1:6. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. If you love me, keep my commandments.

We must not confuse DESCRIPTIVE passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture. 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.

1 John 2:3 - By this we know that we have come to know Him, (demonstrative evidence) if we keep (guard, watch over, keep intact) His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep (guard, watch over, keep intact) His commandments s, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Or would you say instead that a man is saved even if he doesn't love God and doesn't keep His commands?

That is an oxymoron.

 

[mailmandan]

Not all who have faith in Jesus is justified in God's eyes. like this:

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These many people in Matthew 7:22 did not have genuine faith in Jesus Christ and were not justified in God's eyes. Jesus NEVER knew them which means they were NEVER saved (verse 23). Those who have been justified by faith have peace with God through Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1). That was not the case for these unbelieving, workers of iniquity in Matthew 7:22-23.

See it is very clear in the verse. let go of your pride and accept the Truth that SOLA FIDE IS FALSE.

The truth is only clear for those who have eyes to see. You need to accept the Truth and swallow your pride and admit that SOLA FIDE is TRUE.

you know it is good works that will test you if you really have FAITH IN GOD.

Believers show their faith by their works (James 2:18) but we are not saved by works, as Roman Catholics falsely teach.

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

In James 2:21, *notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save him, but it showed or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the sense in which Abraham was justified by works. He was "shown to be righteous."

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Faith made perfect or complete by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was saved based on merits of his works by offering up Isaac on the altar in Genesis 22. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6.

You need to keep in mind that James is discussing the proof/evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).

Ask your pastor if giving 10 percent is good work or not and if he says YES. then ask him if he is okay to him not to give 10 percent and if he disagrees then you may contemplate what it means hehehehehe

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Or would you say instead that a man is saved even if he doesn't love God and doesn't keep His commands?

sounds like youre making a strawman just as the other guy way

keeping His commands does not = sinless perfection (one sin = unsaved -> until you regain your own salvation through the merit of your prayer)


and i hope thats not what youre implying is true


(even though you defended someone who seems to believe that nonsense)

 

[jameen]

The truth is only clear for those who have eyes to see. You need to accept the Truth and swallow your pride and admit that SOLA FIDE is TRUE.

Believers show their faith by their works (James 2:18) but we are not saved by works, as Roman Catholics falsely teach.

SOLA FIDE IS FALSE

Philippians 1:29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

IT IS CLEAR IN THESE VERSES

2 Peter 1:5-9 King James Version (KJV)

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

Is the world ADD an action word or not? it is verb meaning an ACTION word.

so we need good works too aside from faith and it is clear in the verses that if you lack the ones mentioned to be added to you faith is you ARE BLIND.

Meaning you can HAVE FAITH but you can lack the things that ARE ASKED TO BE ADDED TO YOUR FAITH that will make you a blind man.

Where will the blind go according to Jesus?

Matthew 15:14 King James Version (KJV)

14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

Will you go to paradise if you blind? it is clear NADA or NO.

SOLA FIDE IS FALSE.

it could be better to start asking your pastor if giving 10 percent is a good work and if he says YES then ask again if IT IS OKAY NOT TO GIVE 10 PERCENT ANYMORE and if he disagrees then you should start contemplating what it means hehehehehe

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

he twisted the meaning of scripture to imply it said things it did not

and i think the disconnect is coming from you agreeing with his false understanding

Really? Because I think the disconnect is coming from you twisting this mans words to imply he said things he did not.

And I think the disconnect is coming from you trying to get others to agree with your false understanding of what he said.

 

[oldethennew]

there are so many scriptures pertaining to the 'subject' at hand -

there will come a time in our journeys, for many of us when we will be able to acknowledge
how we were 'brain-washed' by the 'multitude' of denominational doctrines, we both have
been shown this after our 'total-surrender', the extent of the multiple deceptions
in this sick and fallen world...the writing is on the wall, the dis-unity tells it all...

1PETER 2:8.
And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at The Word,
being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

JOHN 15:16.
You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit,
and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of The Father in My Name, He may give it you.

ACTS 13:48.
And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified The Word of The Lord:
and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

1TIM. 2:7.
Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not,
a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

JUDE 1:4.
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation,
ungodly men, turning the Grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying The only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.