John Chapter 3 REFUTES Five Point Calvinism
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It's simple, you either choose to believe science or God. You can't believe in both as they are polar opposites.
Intelligent people will never believe in God, they only believe what they can see and touch.
God only saves simple sheep who blindly follow His Son, they usually have a very low intellect.
Intelligent people will never believe in God, they only believe what they can see and touch.
God only saves simple sheep who blindly follow His Son, they usually have a very low intellect.
First, I am not sure what is your connection between science and intelligent people. You can be intelligent without being a professional scientist.
Second, both the universe and the Bible are given by God. Bible says that God is clearly visible in His creation. So they are not polar opposites.
There is no conflict between real science and real theology. Only between real science and wrong theology or between bad science and real theology.
Second, both the universe and the Bible are given by God. Bible says that God is clearly visible in His creation. So they are not polar opposites.
There is no conflict between real science and real theology. Only between real science and wrong theology or between bad science and real theology.
What about John chapter 10?
John 10:25-30
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
When the Lord told them why they didn't believe wasn't that a "Soveriegnty" issue?
Isn't this what Calvinists believe? That the Lord God chooses the sheep and causes them to walk according to His Statutes?
Seems pretty biblical to me.
John 10:25-30
25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
When the Lord told them why they didn't believe wasn't that a "Soveriegnty" issue?
Isn't this what Calvinists believe? That the Lord God chooses the sheep and causes them to walk according to His Statutes?
Seems pretty biblical to me.
Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
I don't know if I would call them "intelligent" people.
1 Corinthians 1:26-29
25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Maybe intelligent "after the flesh"....
Which is what I think you meant in the first place.
Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.
I don't know if I would call them "intelligent" people.
1 Corinthians 1:26-29
25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29That no flesh should glory in his presence.
Maybe intelligent "after the flesh"....
Which is what I think you meant in the first place.
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All the great minds on the planet today and throughout history have all been Atheists, they mock Bible believing Christians as morons and imbeciles with a low intellect.
They say that religion appeals to them because they need someone to lead them make sense of their world for them as they can't do it themselves. I have been to many Churches and I've never meet or heard of a rocket scientist or brain surgeon, they're all low to middle class people in Churches.
I don't have to prove that we aren't very intelligent, the Bible says that God chooses the fools of this world and He rejects smart people. I'm sure you know this but you're just a bit embarrassed to admit it.
They say that religion appeals to them because they need someone to lead them make sense of their world for them as they can't do it themselves. I have been to many Churches and I've never meet or heard of a rocket scientist or brain surgeon, they're all low to middle class people in Churches.
I don't have to prove that we aren't very intelligent, the Bible says that God chooses the fools of this world and He rejects smart people. I'm sure you know this but you're just a bit embarrassed to admit it.
I'm not able to communicate as eloquently as you Sir, so I thank you for summing up what I was trying to say. I have recently converted from Roman Catholicism, where nobody knew anything about the Bible. Only the priests had one, so I'm trying to learn as quickly as possible.
Thanks for listing those verses, they are very helpful
Thanks for listing those verses, they are very helpful
This is simply not true.
"World" in the Bible has several meanings, some are cosmological, some are about people and some are theological. You know it too
"World" in the Bible has several meanings, some are cosmological, some are about people and some are theological. You know it too
Yes we all know about the different contexts of the word "World", all you need to do is read before and after the word and you can easily place it in it's intended context. It's quite simple to do
Not true either. Matthew was not a fisherman, he was a toll colector.
Paul had the best school of religion of those days.
Luke was a doctor.
Also, having a manual profession has nothing to do with not being smart or intelligent. When you read letters of John or Peter, they were intelligent. John uses philosophical terms (logos pros ton theon) etc. They were not stupid.
Paul had the best school of religion of those days.
Luke was a doctor.
Also, having a manual profession has nothing to do with not being smart or intelligent. When you read letters of John or Peter, they were intelligent. John uses philosophical terms (logos pros ton theon) etc. They were not stupid.
The thing is did men like Leibniz...., did they hold to the wordily view as natural; "nothing created something" or the supernatural (no nature) view of one who has no beginning ?
Let there be and there was.... or nothing created something?
Can't find God in a microscope , as if he was made of the rudiments of this corrupted world .
That kind of vain order is reserved for the philosophers, and oral traditions of men who do not walk by the unseen (faith)
We are warned of them who attempt to make God's word as God's law (not a philosophical theory of men) to none effect.
The missing bone is still missing.
Colossians 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, "after" the tradition of men, "after" the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Let there be and there was.... or nothing created something?
Can't find God in a microscope , as if he was made of the rudiments of this corrupted world .
That kind of vain order is reserved for the philosophers, and oral traditions of men who do not walk by the unseen (faith)
We are warned of them who attempt to make God's word as God's law (not a philosophical theory of men) to none effect.
The missing bone is still missing.
Colossians 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, "after" the tradition of men, "after" the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
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OK, I'll give it to you. Matthew was a gifted tax collector (even though it takes zero IQ to collect taxes).
God gave Paul a special gift of preaching, that just took faith and no intelligence was required either.
Luke was a herbalist, just like those you see at the markets. they didn't have modern medicine in those days. So again, little IQ required.
Go back and read what Grandpa wrote to support what I'm saying, I'm sure your jaw will drop when you do.
God gave Paul a special gift of preaching, that just took faith and no intelligence was required either.
Luke was a herbalist, just like those you see at the markets. they didn't have modern medicine in those days. So again, little IQ required.
Go back and read what Grandpa wrote to support what I'm saying, I'm sure your jaw will drop when you do.