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Here's one copy of his remarks in that thread. He's talking about God there.
"Amen.he promised a lot of things to us. Give him a reason to break those promises.,and he will."https://christianchat.com/threads/speaking-in-tongues.177501/post-3642349
49 pages arguing whether tongues are valid , active today, and all that. I can imagine you would find that boring. Can't blame you.
It's in the Bible as what God said it is. But that doesn't stop people from trying to question God.
"Amen.he promised a lot of things to us. Give him a reason to break those promises.,and he will."https://christianchat.com/threads/speaking-in-tongues.177501/post-3642349
49 pages arguing whether tongues are valid , active today, and all that. I can imagine you would find that boring. Can't blame you.
It's in the Bible as what God said it is. But that doesn't stop people from trying to question God.
Yes, you are a fake and fraud. ,and you know I posted again after that earlier post, putting it in its proper perspective. .I have concluded that some on this site is not of God. Impersonators ,they are , because they have no love , nor compassion for one another. They call names, they falsely accuse. They lie about you. They sow discard among one another. All these signs point toward workers of iniquity. Wolves in sheep clothing, but cannot disguise who and what they are because it is their nature.
How do most people define "Easy Believism?" Merely believe "mental assent" that Jesus exists and presto, you are saved, even though you continue to live like the devil, or something like that?
What about Lordship Salvation? I've heard advocates of that doctrine say that it's not enough to believe in Jesus (John 3:15,16,18), but one must "completely" surrender to His Lordship in order to be saved. Then of course, "completely" surrender to His Lordship ranges anywhere from reaching full maturity in Christ to sinless perfection.
What about Hard Believism? That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard to ACCEPT. I've heard certain anti-OSASers say that continuing to believe/remain in the faith is an extremely difficult burden that most Christians will surely fail to do and the Lord will simply allow them to slip through His hands.
What about Lordship Salvation? I've heard advocates of that doctrine say that it's not enough to believe in Jesus (John 3:15,16,18), but one must "completely" surrender to His Lordship in order to be saved. Then of course, "completely" surrender to His Lordship ranges anywhere from reaching full maturity in Christ to sinless perfection.
What about Hard Believism? That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard to ACCEPT. I've heard certain anti-OSASers say that continuing to believe/remain in the faith is an extremely difficult burden that most Christians will surely fail to do and the Lord will simply allow them to slip through His hands.
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How do most people define "Easy Believism?" Merely believe "mental assent" that Jesus exists and presto, you are saved, even though you continue to live like the devil, or something like that?
What about Lordship Salvation? I've heard advocates of that doctrine say that it's not enough to believe in Jesus (John 3:15,16,18), but one must "completely" surrender to His Lordship in order to be saved. Then of course, "completely" surrender to His Lordship ranges anywhere from reaching full maturity in Christ to sinless perfection.
What about Hard Believism? That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard to ACCEPT. I've heard certain anti-OSASers say that continuing to believe/remain in the faith is an extremely difficult burden that most Christians will surely fail to do and the Lord will simply allow them to slip through His hands.
What about Lordship Salvation? I've heard advocates of that doctrine say that it's not enough to believe in Jesus (John 3:15,16,18), but one must "completely" surrender to His Lordship in order to be saved. Then of course, "completely" surrender to His Lordship ranges anywhere from reaching full maturity in Christ to sinless perfection.
What about Hard Believism? That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard to ACCEPT. I've heard certain anti-OSASers say that continuing to believe/remain in the faith is an extremely difficult burden that most Christians will surely fail to do and the Lord will simply allow them to slip through His hands.
His yoke makes it easy or lighter as a imputed righteousness , which without no man could beleive God not seen .But his work of faith as a labor of His love by which we can believe Him as he draws us, was to give his own Spirit life in jeopardy of His own life . If he has begun it, he as the just one and justifier of our new faith .He gives us the confidence He will finish it .We there fore put no confidence in the flesh as that seen
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Among many in the church I know it does. Most in the church can only understand the necessity for works to mean works earn justification/salvation. It's so bad in the church right now that many think to purposely do something right is wrong because that would be 'works' (you trying to earn your own salvation). The thinking is, right things just have to happen by themselves or else it's you trying to earn your own salvation. Think I'm kidding?
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I did not say the gospel is known by everyone. I plainly talked about those who have never heard the name of 'Jesus'. Then I said Romans 2 explains to us how God deals justly with the person who never hears the gospel. And, who doesn't even have the law of Moses. God deals with these people according to what Paul says they DO have--instinct and conscience.
With the exception of some Muslim countries where generations have been raised up without knowledge of Christianity (because it is outlawed) virtually everyone knows about the day of Judgment and that you have to get right with Jesus to be saved. You'll be hard pressed to find a person who will say, "Jesus who?" People are all too aware of Jesus and the Day of Judgment that is coming. Haven't you ever done any witnessing? If you have you'll know you do not need to explain who Jesus is nor tell them about the day of judgment that is coming. What you have to do is fill in the details.
His judgment is mitigated according to what you know:
"47“And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more. "-Luke 12:47-48
But the devils do not trust in Jesus. Believing in Jesus means not only believing he exists, but also believing he is the payment for your sin debt and that you are trusting him to be that for you and as a result will safely pass through the coming judgment and into the fullness of the blessings promised to Abraham.
Yep. I think you'll see I agree with you by what I just posted above.
Believing implies trusting, not just believing that God/Jesus exist, or even just believing the gospel is real. You must place your trust in what you know to be true about God, Jesus, and the gospel.
That is what Paul is saying. The teacher in this case is the Holy Spirit acting upon a person's conscience. These people have far, far less to be accountable for than those of us who have heard the specific gospel of Christ and it's details. God's judgment is based on what you know and what you did with what you know.
They will have some knowledge through conscience and instinct. That is what Paul said. And that is the standard God will use to judge them.
Again, conscience and instinct. And natural law, which he had just got done speaking about in Romans 1:19-20,26.
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."-Romans 1:19-27
I'm just reading the plain words of scripture. They aren't up for debate, but because most people want to have their own version of the truth they make the plain words of the Bible mean something else. This is not God's fault. It's not the Bible's fault. It's the fault of the wickedness of men who don't want to be confronted, let alone conform to, the truth. Only in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit can a person overcome this evil propensity in us fallen human beings.
With the exception of some Muslim countries where generations have been raised up without knowledge of Christianity (because it is outlawed) virtually everyone knows about the day of Judgment and that you have to get right with Jesus to be saved. You'll be hard pressed to find a person who will say, "Jesus who?" People are all too aware of Jesus and the Day of Judgment that is coming. Haven't you ever done any witnessing? If you have you'll know you do not need to explain who Jesus is nor tell them about the day of judgment that is coming. What you have to do is fill in the details.
His judgment is mitigated according to what you know:
"47“And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, 48but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more. "-Luke 12:47-48
But the devils do not trust in Jesus. Believing in Jesus means not only believing he exists, but also believing he is the payment for your sin debt and that you are trusting him to be that for you and as a result will safely pass through the coming judgment and into the fullness of the blessings promised to Abraham.
Yep. I think you'll see I agree with you by what I just posted above.
Believing implies trusting, not just believing that God/Jesus exist, or even just believing the gospel is real. You must place your trust in what you know to be true about God, Jesus, and the gospel.
That is what Paul is saying. The teacher in this case is the Holy Spirit acting upon a person's conscience. These people have far, far less to be accountable for than those of us who have heard the specific gospel of Christ and it's details. God's judgment is based on what you know and what you did with what you know.
They will have some knowledge through conscience and instinct. That is what Paul said. And that is the standard God will use to judge them.
Again, conscience and instinct. And natural law, which he had just got done speaking about in Romans 1:19-20,26.
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.
24Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."-Romans 1:19-27
I'm just reading the plain words of scripture. They aren't up for debate, but because most people want to have their own version of the truth they make the plain words of the Bible mean something else. This is not God's fault. It's not the Bible's fault. It's the fault of the wickedness of men who don't want to be confronted, let alone conform to, the truth. Only in Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit can a person overcome this evil propensity in us fallen human beings.