What kind of Church would Jesus approve of

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Danny1988

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If the Church teaches the death, burial, and resurrection, of Christ, and He is Lord, and God manifest in the flesh, and believe they can receive the Spirit and have the power to abstain from sin if they hate sin, and do not want sin, that would be a good Church, and most everything else should fall in to place, for with teaching that the Spirit should be working in that Church.

And if there are hypocrites, it will be low in number, and their sins very minor, and majority would be sincere to do what is right, and be Christlike, for if not they would not attend such a Church, for the pastor is not watering down the word to please the congregation, so obviously the people attending like what they hear.

Maybe hearing the word with no water added might be more popular among small groups that gather but do not attend any denomination, and sometimes some people of the world understand some things of the Bible, and a Christlike attitude, better than some that confess Christ, for the world does not have to misinterpret the word of God to suit them, for they do not abide by it anyway, where it may not suit some that confess Christ for they like some things of the flesh, and do not want to give them up, so that is the way they like to hear the Bible.

The world does not care that the Bible proclaims a strict lifestyle of abstaining from sin, for it does not take any toll on their life, for they do not abide by it and are going to sin believing in no repercussion, so what do they care about the strict morality of it, so many people of the world can see the truth of God's word better than many that claim Christ who want to enjoy sin, so that is how they want to hear it, and misinterpret the Bible that way.

And we know the world does understand the strict morality of the Bible, and what Jesus represented, for they call many Christians hypocrites testifying that the world does understand.

And then you wonder why can't many people that claim Christ understand the Bible like the world when it comes to morality, and it is strange that the world believes the Christians can abstain from sin if they want for if they believed they could not abstain from sin they would not call them hypocrites, which testifies the world knows they can abstain from sin, but they do not because they enjoy sin being of the flesh.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

If a Church and pastor do preach the truth, and there is some hypocrites do not let that deter you from abiding in that Church, for God said there would be hypocrites, but it is still a great house for the foundation, pastor, is of the truth according to the Bible.

The big thing of a good Church is to believe if they hate sin, and do not want sin, by the Spirit they can abstain from sin, for if they believe that everything else should be on point, for then they are not afraid of hearing anything of the Bible to do with a strict moral lifestyle, like some Churches, and a strict moral lifestyle is what is pleasing to God.
Yes I plan to join a Reformed Baptist Church, which I visited on Sunday and found the preaching Biblically faithful.

They only had a piano and the hymns were all the old traditional Christian hymns.

I spoke to the Pastor and asked him a few questions and he was very straight forward about their confession of faith. They have a very similar confession to the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith. They adhere to the AMillennial view of eschatology and they also believe in the Calvinist view of salvation by Grace and Faith alone, so I'm very excited to have found a faithful Bible based Church to worship in.
 

jb

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What kind of Church would Jesus approve of
The Churches at Jerusalem, Smyrna and Philadelphia. Acts 2v40-47, Rev 2v8-11, 3v7-13.
 

Danny1988

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The Churches at Jerusalem, Smyrna and Philadelphia. Acts 2v40-47, Rev 2v8-11, 3v7-13.
Sadly those kinds of Churches are very rare and hard to find in our modern enlightened new age. Most Churches feel they need to be seeker friendly, relevant, all inclusive, progressive and entertaining. They make you the center of attention instead of giving God the glory, honor, praise and worship which He is most worthy of.
 

jb

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Sadly those kinds of Churches are very rare and hard to find in our modern enlightened new age. Most Churches feel they need to be seeker friendly, relevant, all inclusive, progressive and entertaining. They make you the center of attention instead of giving God the glory, honor, praise and worship which He is most worthy of.
Then this is definitely a reflection how far the Church has gone from the New Testament pattern and structure that Christ gave to the Church at the very beginning of the Age of Grace.
 

Danny1988

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Then this is definitely a reflection how far the Church has gone from the New Testament pattern and structure that Christ gave to the Church at the very beginning of the Age of Grace.
Well Paul did warn us that it would happen, when he said that in the later times they will not endure sound doctrine. They will give heed to the doctrines of Devils.
 

notuptome

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You are the church. The question is best asked of yourself. Will Jesus approve of how you have done?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

Danny1988

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You are the church. The question is best asked of yourself. Will Jesus approve of how you have done?

For the cause of Christ
Roger
The true Church will only follow Jesus, so it will never fall into error or false beliefs. Christ is the author and finisher of our faith, He will glorify Himself through His true Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

So I have full confidence that Christ will keep me in the truth and faith, because I only follow so I can't fail unless Christ fails.
 
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pjharrison

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But the Bible tells us not to forsake the asembling of ourselves together as is the manner of some. As a Christian I must obey the Bible's teaching, it would be easy to ignore it but that's not an option for the true Christian.

Jesus said, if you love Me you will obey Me. He said you will know false professors by their fruits, a true Christian is actively involved in building Gods Kingdom. We can't be involved if we isolate ourselves like the useless Catholic Monks.
One `day you will understand. That you cover yourself under something else. So God cannot take your understanding from glory to glory. Assembling does not mean it is has to be about teaching and learning the bible. You can just meet to have a meal, or to just talk. Just being around other believers. Church makes your soul feel good. The soul wants to please itself. But it's all about the spirit, because that is how we communicate with God. In the new testament they didn't have the bible. They had to live it. We have the bible to show us how to live in Christ. But man has made it a forever school of learning with bible studies. It just teach you how to quote scripture. You need to live and let the holy spirit take you through things that will teach you literally. Like a child being taught.
 

JesusLives

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There are Godly people in every church and which church is the most Biblical.... That would be the church that follows, teaches and preaches to be like Jesus.

If we all practiced being more like Jesus instead of trying to figure out which church is what we'd all be better off.

You will always be able to find fault in all the churches because people go to them and people aren't perfect and then you blame the church or their doctrine for being faulty when in fact most of the time it is the faulty people at fault... for not living and being like Jesus.

Good luck in your search. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 6:33
 
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SpoonJuly

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Well maybe you will find one you like. Everyone has a right to worship God however they want too. I haven't been to church in about 20 years. I'll never attend church again. Church is not an option. That's like lighting a candle then putting it under a glass.
That may be the saddest testimony I have ever heard from someone who claims Christ.

And you are very wrong. NO ONE has the right to worship God how every they want to.
 

OstrichSmiling

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That may be the saddest testimony I have ever heard from someone who claims Christ.

And you are very wrong. NO ONE has the right to worship God how every they want to.
What source do you provide that would instruct right worship?
 
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SpoonJuly

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Then aren't you being a bit short sighted and harsh telling pjharrison what you did? Jesus did not teach we are to go to church. Jesus taught we are the church.
Two things.
As children of God, we are taught to assemble and we do not have the right to worship as we please.
For a person to brag that they have not assembled for 20 years is a sad testimony.
 

OstrichSmiling

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Two things.
As children of God, we are taught to assemble and we do not have the right to worship as we please.
For a person to brag that they have not assembled for 20 years is a sad testimony.
I think you're being unfair to what was actually said. The statement was they have not attended church in 20 years. Most churches are dedicated to a Denominational identity.
That is not what Jesus told us to do. Attend a Methodist church, a Presbyterian church, and so forth.
God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.
And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself.
(Ephesians 1:22–23)
That body is described in Acts of the Apostles chapter 2 as the beginning of that body.
 
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SpoonJuly

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I think you're being unfair to what was actually said. The statement was they have not attended church in 20 years. Most churches are dedicated to a Denominational identity.
That is not what Jesus told us to do. Attend a Methodist church, a Presbyterian church, and so forth.
God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.
And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself.
(Ephesians 1:22–23)
That body is described in Acts of the Apostles chapter 2 as the beginning of that body.
There is no place in the Bible where a child of God is told to isolate himself from other believers.
I agree that Jesus is the head of every true local "church".
Any local "church" that does not acknowledge that is in violation of truth.
No one can "go to church".
Churches should assemble together to study, pray, teach, and praise God.
Local churches are to follow the example of the church at Jerusalem as told to us in Acts 2.
They went out TOGETHER and preached the Gospel.

Let me repeat. No one has the right to WORSHIP AS HE PLEASES.
As for as the statement "not attended church in 20 years", is very plain in what he meant.
 

OstrichSmiling

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There is no place in the Bible where a child of God is told to isolate himself from other believers.
I agree that Jesus is the head of every true local "church".
Any local "church" that does not acknowledge that is in violation of truth.
No one can "go to church".
Churches should assemble together to study, pray, teach, and praise God.
Local churches are to follow the example of the church at Jerusalem as told to us in Acts 2.
They went out TOGETHER and preached the Gospel.

Let me repeat. No one has the right to WORSHIP AS HE PLEASES.
As for as the statement "not attended church in 20 years", is very plain in what he meant.
I never stated anything about isolating ourselves.
Furthermore, it is not fair to think you know what someone else means in their posts.
Also, Jesus taught that were two or more are gathered in his name, Jesus is there too. Therefore, no one is isolating themselves from church when they are in a Christian forum.
And lastly, you don't know if our brother meets with others in Bible study, or elsewhere in order to honor their faith. Going to church doesn't make someone right with God.

You may repeat as you wish. The question to you then that you did not answer is, how are we to worship then? "The Bible" , is not an answer.
 
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SpoonJuly

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I never stated anything about isolating ourselves.
Furthermore, it is not fair to think you know what someone else means in their posts.
Also, Jesus taught that were two or more are gathered in his name, Jesus is there too. Therefore, no one is isolating themselves from church when they are in a Christian forum.
And lastly, you don't know if our brother meets with others in Bible study, or elsewhere in order to honor their faith. Going to church doesn't make someone right with God.

You may repeat as you wish. The question to you then that you did not answer is, how are we to worship then? "The Bible" , is not an answer.
Well, the Bible is the answer. The Bible is the answer to all questions.
I believe I answered how.. Acts 2 is a great example.
Do you believe you have the right to worship as you please?