Are issues Biblical issues or with "Stupid" People?

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7seasrekeyed said:
I had to look that up

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i would advise to skip the movie; read the book :)

DON'T PANIC
 
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posthuman said:
He'd have to, to use people :)

Every man is stupid, devoid of knowledge ​
(Jeremiah 10:14) ​
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All mankind is stupid, devoid of knowledge ​
(Jeremiah 51:17)​
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((i'm of course not advocating insulting people))
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it's interesting; i was looking through all 95 of the instances of the Hebrew word here in the Bible, and seemingly some 90% of the time it's used for "burning" or something to do with being "burnt"

same word in the famous "burning bush" Moses saw -- not a 'stupid bush' right?? haha

but there's some kind of linguistic connection with what the Bible calls "stupid" and being burned up.
stupid as i myself may be, i do know, that things on fire which you wish not to be, should be doused with "water" :)
 
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posthuman said:
well the book is pretty clever, and funny, and well written.

the movie, after knowing the book fairly well, was disappointing to me.

but i have my towel so it's all froody.
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I need a little more plot with my sci-fi

but books are often better than the movie

I used to love to read but I kind of lost my taste for it

maybe I reached my quota back in the day LOL!
 
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posthuman said:
it's a Biblical word

Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid. ​
(Proverbs 12:1) ​
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That's is funny, it's a Biblical word. What value does a Biblical word have over any other word? But I would say that whosoever would buy that translation of Proverbs 12:1 is stupid.

While I would ask for others interpretation of that verse since it is possible that I am not hearing the same thing they are, but then again it might be that those who agree with that translated verse are those who love being told by someone other than themselves what they must believe. Then again, loving discipline in and of itself is not intrinsically stupid, yet is it describing those who love discipline for the purpose of gaining authority and control over others. But in either case, anyone who believes positive effects of the knowledge resulting from indoctrination could not be ruled out of consideration for being stupid.

While it t would seem the stupidity of that translated verse would speak for itself, but I guess if there is at least one person who thinks it is truthful precept, the stupid one if any might be myself. But lets see those who agree with the translated verse post any replies.

But I guess if they don't reply it could be due to a passive aggressive reaction where the perceived correction is responded to by ignoring me and my post, or maybe they are just too stupid to even perceive the correction.
 
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CS1 said:
and to call one stuipd ( a fool) is what Jesus said not to do. Matt 5-7
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Are there any passages that come to mind where Jesus taught us not to lie about someone, or harass them, or seek to spread falsehoods in order to turn others in the Ekklesia against them?
 
Zmouth said:
That's is funny, it's a Biblical word. What value does a Biblical word have over any other word? But I would say that whosoever would buy that translation of Proverbs 12:1 is stupid.
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given how the word is translated elsewhere, i'm wondering if there's truth to saying that whoever hates correction is 'burned up' -- as He says, His people are destroyed by lack of knowledge. by willful unbelief when faced with the truth, a truth that shows they were in error.

Zmouth said:
While I would ask for others interpretation of that verse since it is possible that I am not hearing the same thing they are, but then again it might be that those who agree with that translated verse are those who love being told by someone other than themselves what they must believe. Then again, loving discipline in and of itself is not intrinsically stupid, yet is it describing those who love discipline for the purpose of gaining authority and control over others. But in either case, anyone who believes positive effects of the knowledge resulting from indoctrination could not be ruled out of consideration for being stupid.

While it t would seem the stupidity of that translated verse would speak for itself, but I guess if there is at least one person who thinks it is truthful precept, the stupid one if any might be myself. But lets see those who agree with the translated verse post any replies.
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i believe it is to be understood as this saying is:

My son, do not reject the discipline of the LORD​
Or loathe His reproof,​
For whom the LORD loves He reproves,​
Even as a father corrects the son in whom he delights.​
(Proverbs 3:11-12)​

not loving discipline, as you said, for the purpose of gaining authority or power over others, but loving discipline for the purpose of gaining knowledge. not loving to dish it out, but to receive it. the proverb is a juxtaposition of opposites; whoever loves being corrected loves knowledge, but the one who hates discipline is stupid, hating the truth.
if i am wrong, and i hate being told so, i am vain, and my priority isn't the truth but maintaining my pride.
if i am wrong, and i love to find out that i am, i am meek, and my priority isn't my self esteem but knowing the truth.
God disciplines the one He loves because He is teaching them the truth, and the truth sets one free
 
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posthuman said:
given how the word is translated elsewhere, i'm wondering if there's truth to saying that whoever hates correction is 'burned up' -- as He says, His people are destroyed by lack of knowledge. by willful unbelief when faced with the truth, a truth that shows they were in error.
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Well, I said that anyone that would buy that translation of Prov 12:1, being "whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction" is stupid. For one, I wouldn't even consider that as a translation but a rather as either a private interpretation or a rewritten verse with a different purpose.

The verse of Proverbs 12:1 originally translated in the KJV iis written, "Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish."

Take for example the difference in the terms by definition-
discipline: requirement to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience.
instruction: detailed information telling how something should be done, operated, or assembled.

So do you think that a person who loves discipline would buy instruction in the gospel? I think that people are destroyed by a lack of knowledge one gets what they pay for. And if the word of God has not value to one, then when faced with the truth they wouldn't buy it, but would claim that gospel is freely given. But one scripture would tell them what it is freely given and what is given freely.

Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. Prov 23:23
 
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Zmouth said:
Take for example the difference in the terms by definition-
discipline: requirement to obey rules or a code of behavior, using punishment to correct disobedience.
instruction: detailed information telling how something should be done, operated, or assembled.
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the same word KJV often translates as 'instruction' is also translated 'chastisement' and 'reproof' in other places. i don't know Hebrew but i presume it's a mistake to think that the underlying original word doesn't carry a connotation of corrective rebuke. we're ultimately not talking about the English language here.

proper discipline/chastisement/instruction isn't just beating someone with a stick. it's also not merely handing out answer keys and ignoring mistakes. it's admonishment over error and showing the proper course. if your apprentice is assembling parts of a gizmo wrong, you tell him two things: not like that, and here, like this.

i'm not wont to dither over translations or argue about words.
i thought you were taking issue with the proverb itself.
 
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LPT said:
Hilarious, G-D is not biblical at all...
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You are correct. Elohim = God in the OT and Theos = God in the NT. In the Greek uncial (capital letter) manuscripts, THEOS was abbreviated to theta-sigma, but translated as God.
 
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LPT said:
Pretty self explainatory
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Here are a few different ways in which it could be interpreted:

The use of a hyphen to replace the vowel in the word "God" is not biblical.
The word "God" is not biblical.
The concept "god" is not biblical.
God Himself is not biblically consistent in His thoughts or actions.
 
Nehemiah6 said:
You are correct. Elohim = God in the OT and Theos = God in the NT. In the Greek uncial (capital letter) manuscripts, THEOS was abbreviated to theta-sigma, but translated as God.
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Quite interesting indeed,

In other places one may see these words in NT (Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani) and is a quote from Psalms 22:1
 
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