a born-again Christian can never (keyword: never) lose their salvation

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calibob said:
Allow me to postulate a 3d option; a worker may grow weary of fighting the good fight and although he thinks he [she/they] know the truth, opts to trade riches in glory for rewards here and now. They decide "I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven" and makes the horrible decision to trade away Gods gifts for fame, power and fortune and with knowledge and forethought. They start preaching a false doctrine? Were they ever really saved or did they simply sell their soul and salvation to the devil as I suspect many have?
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Calibob, your third option is hard to imagine. Unless the person get into prosperity doctrine and has people give unto him as sort of seeding tact. Now that I have stated that, I guess it is not so hard to imagine. I'll bet the demons use that one often.

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theanointedsinner said:
I know that I'm a sinner
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Well then you've arrived at the right place. Here we use scripture often and being you can access the Internet you can even find Bible sites that will teach you about how to be saved from that state.
God will lead you to the truth of that.
Blessed journey. :)
 
Gabriel2020 said:
Because the lost will not say . did we not prophesy in your name, heal the sick and raise the dead? No, only those that are in the kingdom.
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STILL didn't answer the question. Jesus said He NEVER knew them..... So how could they be a born again Child of God and Him not EVER know them?

Also, many of the lost will absolutely talk about THEIR works in Jesus Name... Didn't WE do this, Didn't WE do that. Not only JW's but Mormons, some Jesuits, and even some who claim to be Christian, that trust in THEIR works, but were never made a NEW creation will say that.

Now how about that question...
 
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OstrichSmiling said:
Well then you've arrived at the right place. Here we use scripture often and being you can access the Internet you can even find Bible sites that will teach you about how to be saved from that state.
God will lead you to the truth of that.
Blessed journey. :)
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if I can stop being a sinner on earth, then show me how
 
Gabriel2020 said:
Because the lost will not say . did we not prophesy in your name, heal the sick and raise the dead? No, only those that are in the kingdom.
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Matthew 7:21-23
21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in the heavens.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 
PennEd said:
STILL didn't answer the question. Jesus said He NEVER knew them..... So how could they be a born again Child of God and Him not EVER know them?

Also, many of the lost will absolutely talk about THEIR works in Jesus Name... Didn't WE do this, Didn't WE do that. Not only JW's but Mormons, some Jesuits, and even some who claim to be Christian, that trust in THEIR works, but were never made a NEW creation will say that.

Now how about that question...
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This has nothing to do with what group you are in, but about a pure heart with God only.
 
OstrichSmiling said:
Well then you've arrived at the right place. Here we use scripture often and being you can access the Internet you can even find Bible sites that will teach you about how to be saved from that state.
God will lead you to the truth of that.
Blessed journey. :)
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show me what ultimate redemption is
 
why does it feel like I have entered the Twilight Zone?

written by 'experts' too yet
 
Gabriel2020 said:
This has nothing to do with what group you are in, but about a pure heart with God only.
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I'm sorry but this is a non sensical answer to the question.

How could they have been SAVED, born again Children of God, a new creation. Yet Jesus NEVER knew them?

Instead of dismissing that question maybe you should reevaluate your position.
If not, be at peace, because there is not much more fruit in debating.
 
theanointedsinner said:
if I can stop being a sinner on earth, then show me how
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I cannot show you how. Only the holy spirit of God can show you how. But first you must repent of your sins, which is unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9 . And you'll then be cleansed of your sins. And then be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. You'll arise as a new creation in Christ and your sins will no longer exist. Those who know Christ do not sin. 1 John 5: 18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

As I said there are many avenues on the Internet to find your way to the Gospel truth.
There is no such thing as an anointed sinner. You have misnamed yourself as that sinner you wish to cast off. Christ was anointed. Maybe start there. Look for the meaning of anointed. And then proceed to find the Gospel teachings of our Lord on-line.
Blessings.
 
Gabriel2020 said:
Because the lost will not say . did we not prophesy in your name, heal the sick and raise the dead? No, only those that are in the kingdom.
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Better read that scripture where it says what will take place on the Day of the lord, who will rise first and what will happen to all that will rise.
 
PennEd said:
I'm sorry but this is a non sensical answer to the question.

How could they have been SAVED, born again Children of God, a new creation. Yet Jesus NEVER knew them?

Instead of dismissing that question maybe you should reevaluate your position.
If not, be at peace, because there is not much more fruit in debating.
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They thought they were saved.. The saved will rise for judgment and the lost will rise to be cast into the lake of fire. the second death,. why judge them when their destination is the lake of fire.
 
Gabriel2020 said:
They thought they were saved.. The saved will rise for judgment and the lost will rise to be cast into the lake of fire. the second death,. why judge them when their destination is the lake of fire.
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Hey!!!! A bit of fruit! That's RIGHT! They THOUGHT they were saved, but they NEVER were. That's just the point.
 
PennEd said:
Hey!!!! A bit of fruit! That's RIGHT! They THOUGHT they were saved, but they NEVER were. That's just the point.
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They are in the kingdom of heaven for this judgment. Believers should live as if they can loose their soul ,than to live as though they cannot loose it.
 
Gabriel2020 said:
They thought they were saved.. The saved will rise for judgment and the lost will rise to be cast into the lake of fire. the second death,. why judge them when their destination is the lake of fire.
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Doesn't the Book of John chapter 12 tell us the unbeliever will be judged by God?
 
Gabriel2020 said:
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they have been judged until the end,and the only judgment is the lake of fire if they don't repent. What other kind of judgment would be for them.?
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John 12
44 Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me is really believing in the One who sent me. 45 Whoever sees me sees the One who sent me. 46 I have come as light into the world so that whoever believes in me would not ·stay [remain] in darkness.

47 “Anyone who hears my words and does not ·obey [keep] them, I do not judge, because I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for those who ·refuse to believe in [reject] me and do not accept my words. The word I have ·taught [spoken] will ·be their judge [judge them] on the last day. 49 The things I ·taught [spoke] were not from myself. The Father who sent me ·told [commanded] me what to say and what to ·teach [speak]. 50 And I know that eternal life comes from what the Father commands. So whatever I say is what the Father told me to say.”
 
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OstrichSmiling said:
Believers would not then be living by the gospel.
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Paul talked about this very well. keep doing what it is you are doing according to the word of Go and don't stop, or become a slacker. In season, and out of season. This keeps the devil from over taking you.
 
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