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Have you ever asked a fellow Christian to pray for something you cared about? I'll bet you probably have. Why did you not go directly to Jesus with your petition instead of going through another Christian. You don't need another mediator between you and God
Also St John says Jesus said and did many other things that would not fit in all the books of the world
Also St John says Jesus said and did many other things that would not fit in all the books of the world
So you believe Mary soul able to hear billion of catholic all the world? What part of the Bible say Mary soul almost like God, able to hear billion people?
I quote from your lumen gentium II/16(126-127)
126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.
It imply here Muslim and abraham share the same God. Do you agree with your catholic doctrine above?
I quote from your lumen gentium II/16(126-127)
126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.
It imply here Muslim and abraham share the same God. Do you agree with your catholic doctrine above?
Lk 1:28-29
28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.
Did you ever wonder why Mary was greatly troubled by the angels greeting? It seems looks a pretty innocuous greeting. It is because he called her a one word name kecharitomene. The root meaning is grace or favor. But Greek is an inflected language so there is a lot more packed into that word. The word does not mean you are being graced or favored right now by my visit. It means at some time in the past you were graced and it was complete. This is why we Catholics believe Mary was comceived without the stain of Adam's sin. God was creating a suitable vessel for the Second Person of Blessed Trinity to assume human form. Remember how strict God was in having the Ark of the Covenant built. It contained 3 things. The tablets of the 10 commandments (Word of God), Aaron staff (Priest) and a jar of manna (Bread of Life) . All three things symbolizing Christ. That means Mary was the New Ark of the Covenant. All this was nothing to do with any merit of Mary it was all the grace of God. When she goes to visit Elizabeth, John the Baptist leaps for joy at the sound of Mary's voice. That is reminiscent if King David danced before the Ark.
Anything that Jesus is King of Mary is Queen. At the beginning of the book of Samuel when the people say they want a king like the nations around them God is not pleased but he gives in. In the ancient world kings had many wives so their mothers served as Queen.
read the books of Kings and evertime a new king is introduced his Queen Mother is named second. Queen Mother is a royal office. You cannot fire your mother. She will always be your mother but you can fire her from the royal office as King Asa did.
2 Chron 15:16
16 Even Maacah, his mother, King Asa removed from being queen mother because she had made an abominable image for Asherah. Asa cut down her image, crushed it, and burned it at the brook Kidron.
The Queen Mother acted as an intercessor between the people and the king.
Remember in the Gospel of John and the Wedding Feast of Cana. Mary tells Jesus they have no wine. Jesus tells her it is not his time.
She tells the servants to do as Jesus says. So at the intercession of Mary Jesus changes the divine timetable. Remember Jesus is True God and True Man. He certainly loves her as God but also as a good Jewish son loves his mother.
As for John the Baptist I do not know. I know Paul said all were sinners. He did not make an exception for Jesus, I think we are just supposed to know he was sinless
28 And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!” 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered in her mind what sort of greeting this might be.
Did you ever wonder why Mary was greatly troubled by the angels greeting? It seems looks a pretty innocuous greeting. It is because he called her a one word name kecharitomene. The root meaning is grace or favor. But Greek is an inflected language so there is a lot more packed into that word. The word does not mean you are being graced or favored right now by my visit. It means at some time in the past you were graced and it was complete. This is why we Catholics believe Mary was comceived without the stain of Adam's sin. God was creating a suitable vessel for the Second Person of Blessed Trinity to assume human form. Remember how strict God was in having the Ark of the Covenant built. It contained 3 things. The tablets of the 10 commandments (Word of God), Aaron staff (Priest) and a jar of manna (Bread of Life) . All three things symbolizing Christ. That means Mary was the New Ark of the Covenant. All this was nothing to do with any merit of Mary it was all the grace of God. When she goes to visit Elizabeth, John the Baptist leaps for joy at the sound of Mary's voice. That is reminiscent if King David danced before the Ark.
Anything that Jesus is King of Mary is Queen. At the beginning of the book of Samuel when the people say they want a king like the nations around them God is not pleased but he gives in. In the ancient world kings had many wives so their mothers served as Queen.
read the books of Kings and evertime a new king is introduced his Queen Mother is named second. Queen Mother is a royal office. You cannot fire your mother. She will always be your mother but you can fire her from the royal office as King Asa did.
2 Chron 15:16
16 Even Maacah, his mother, King Asa removed from being queen mother because she had made an abominable image for Asherah. Asa cut down her image, crushed it, and burned it at the brook Kidron.
The Queen Mother acted as an intercessor between the people and the king.
Remember in the Gospel of John and the Wedding Feast of Cana. Mary tells Jesus they have no wine. Jesus tells her it is not his time.
She tells the servants to do as Jesus says. So at the intercession of Mary Jesus changes the divine timetable. Remember Jesus is True God and True Man. He certainly loves her as God but also as a good Jewish son loves his mother.
As for John the Baptist I do not know. I know Paul said all were sinners. He did not make an exception for Jesus, I think we are just supposed to know he was sinless
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So you believe Mary without sin
Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
I am never hear Mary still physically life, if so she is 2000 years old, so I believe she was and is death why she death?
Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
This verse give us information why we will physically death.
Mary is physically death, so Mary is a sinner.
Romans 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
I am never hear Mary still physically life, if so she is 2000 years old, so I believe she was and is death why she death?
Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
This verse give us information why we will physically death.
Mary is physically death, so Mary is a sinner.
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I believe there is no time in heaven so Mary has eternity to hear the prayers of the church militant. God can make known to her all the prayers of the faithful.
As for the Muslims they do worship one God. They do not acknowledge the Trinity but neither do the Jews. They have innumerable errors in their theology as do you. I think the church was trying to hold out an olive branch to the Muslims but personally I do not think it will do any good.
As for the Muslims they do worship one God. They do not acknowledge the Trinity but neither do the Jews. They have innumerable errors in their theology as do you. I think the church was trying to hold out an olive branch to the Muslims but personally I do not think it will do any good.
Rev 5:8-9
8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints; 9 and they sang a new song, saying,
The 24 elder I think you would agree are deceased Christians and they are handling the prayers of those on earth.
8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints; 9 and they sang a new song, saying,
The 24 elder I think you would agree are deceased Christians and they are handling the prayers of those on earth.
I agree that it is a false religion. But they worship the God of Abraham so they are not completely bad but they are very bad in my opinion. The statement in Lumen Gentium I think was a political overture to the muslim world to start a dialogue and maybe get better treatment of Christians in muslim countries. The statement should not be construed as an endorsement of any of their other beliefs.
We do not know for sure if Mary died or not. If she died she did not rot in a tomb but was immediately reunited with her soul and taken to heaven. Since she was sinless she did not have to die but she may have asked God to let her suffer death so that she could offer up her suffering to God. Then again she may not have died. She may have been taken body and soul to heaven.
This has always been the belief of the church. If you can say anything about us Catholics it is that we love our saints. We make shrines of their graves. We venerate objects they owned and sometimes they are used by God to work a miracle. Just like the dead man thrown on Elisha's bones came back to life. Cities spread the news that they are the home to a certain saint. One thing has never happened is that a city climed to be the burial place of Mary.
This has always been the belief of the church. If you can say anything about us Catholics it is that we love our saints. We make shrines of their graves. We venerate objects they owned and sometimes they are used by God to work a miracle. Just like the dead man thrown on Elisha's bones came back to life. Cities spread the news that they are the home to a certain saint. One thing has never happened is that a city climed to be the burial place of Mary.
Of course we do. Mary was not sinless that is a fantasy created by Rome so they can extol her and worship her. Catholics are willing to accept superstition as spiritual. They love mystical events created by Rome to entertain them and make them subservient to Rome's authority.
If you follow Rome's soteriology you have departed from the truth of the bible and do not have the genuine article in Jesus Christ. Rome will never allow any of their adherents to believe with any certainty that they are saved and going to heaven. Your distain for the security of the believer is evidence that you do not trust Christ alone to save you.
Rome keeps Jesus nailed to the cross. Jesus is not there but He is risen and has secured eternal life for all who believe in Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
If you follow Rome's soteriology you have departed from the truth of the bible and do not have the genuine article in Jesus Christ. Rome will never allow any of their adherents to believe with any certainty that they are saved and going to heaven. Your distain for the security of the believer is evidence that you do not trust Christ alone to save you.
Rome keeps Jesus nailed to the cross. Jesus is not there but He is risen and has secured eternal life for all who believe in Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Catholics use the same texts as protestants, with the exception of a few books. (Catholic just means universal, or common)
The right question to ask would be:
Out of all the different doctrines, interpretations and denominations, which one is the correct one?
It doesn't just stop at Catholicism vs Protestantism...... I mean, if we went by majority rules, then Catholicism is the "right way".
I wonder why God would allow so much confusion and division..... I no longer believe Christianity to be as infallible as I was taught.
Yes I am a heathen now, not because I love sin, or my reprobate mind, but because of the vast evidence in division and uncerntainty when it comes to truth in doctrine.
Why would God allow such division, even amongst its "true" followers?
Once you stop assuming things, and you start looking into history, motives, trends, and actual events that took place you realize that the bible was actually decided on upon men. Men decided what the canon should include. Not God, but man.
All Martin Luther did was call out the church on their shameless schemes. I don't think much has changed since.....
The right question to ask would be:
Out of all the different doctrines, interpretations and denominations, which one is the correct one?
It doesn't just stop at Catholicism vs Protestantism...... I mean, if we went by majority rules, then Catholicism is the "right way".
I wonder why God would allow so much confusion and division..... I no longer believe Christianity to be as infallible as I was taught.
Yes I am a heathen now, not because I love sin, or my reprobate mind, but because of the vast evidence in division and uncerntainty when it comes to truth in doctrine.
Why would God allow such division, even amongst its "true" followers?
Once you stop assuming things, and you start looking into history, motives, trends, and actual events that took place you realize that the bible was actually decided on upon men. Men decided what the canon should include. Not God, but man.
All Martin Luther did was call out the church on their shameless schemes. I don't think much has changed since.....