The Law

[lightbearer]

How is it an accusation? .

You said he was deluded.
Rather than say that get to the root of the issue and prove what is wrong in his belief system through the Spirit through Scripture. If he does not see and hear move on in loving prayer or continue in the same.

To say he is deluded even if he is, does not help. Ill begets ill.

 

[lightbearer]

Oh I see. You got "the son" from the Greek Textus Receptus. Other manuscripts have "a son". So there is a variant in that verse.

I like that you dig.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Most folks here dissagree with me when I mention that salvation is a gift and we contribute a big fat zero to it. They argue that we need to repent and believe and obey. They don't accept that it's the work of god from start to finish, including giving you repentance, fait and obedience.
I've found most want claim some of the glory for themselves

dude....

you have been here 10 days

news flash...we were not all waiting for you to straighten us out

britches too big for yah boy?

I'm doing humorous today

 

[Zmouth]

Those who walk in Christ don't walk in darkness. Therefore, there is no occasion of stumbling in them.

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: Matt 10:27

Darkness is not the absence of light.

• God said let there be light and there was light.
• God saw the light, that it was good:
• God divided the light from the darkness.
  • You cannot divide light from nothing: 1 / 0 = 0
  • You can divide light from darkness; Day and Night

The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun. Ps 74:16

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I would say that 90% of professing Christians either openly or secretly or in some sneaky way take some credit for their supposed salvation. They believe that they discovered the truth about Jesus and who He is and accepted Him as their Savior.

The Bible teaches that we contributed nothing to our salvation, a person who was born dead in sin has no capacity to chose to believe in Jesus. The Bible teaches that salvation is all the work of God, we contributed nothing. We hated God and we never would have given our lives to Him if He didn't cause us to, in the first palace.

right

would you kindly point us to that survey?

I'm taking notes

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Do we believe before we are saved or after, if we believe before then why do some believe and others don't.

Gadzooks!

are you the inventor of the chicken or the egg question?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Why do you think that the most intelligent people of all time rejected the Gospel and they refused to believe. In case you don't know, the Gospel is foolishness to the natural "normal" person. Only those crazy Christians would believe such a ridiculous idea.

Why would a successful, smart, highly educated person who enjoys life to the full decide to give it all away and follow a dead Jew from 2000 years ago. It's utter foolishness until God forces you to abandon your wisdom and embrace the foolishness of the Gospel.

No smart person will ever believe and obey, until God radically converts them. You would never chose God in a million years if He didn't chose you first. You can only believe and obey after He converts you

right

good to be dumb then I guess

I would say you are doing fine

I was joking at first, but the more I read from you, the less funny things are getting

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I'm surprised I can still be surprised by the pomposity of some people

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You said he was deluded.
Rather than say that get to the root of the issue and prove what is wrong in his belief system through the Spirit through Scripture. If he does not see and hear move on in loving prayer or continue in the same.

To say he is deluded even if he is, does not help. Ill begets ill.

He started it by calling Christians deluded who believe a certain way. To the humble GOD is humble; to the perverse he is perverse. In this type of situation I disagree with your counsel. He needs to be rebuked strongly.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I would say that 90% of professing Christians either openly or secretly or in some sneaky way take some credit for their supposed salvation. They believe that they discovered the truth about Jesus and who He is and accepted Him as their Savior.

I would say that 90% of professing Calvinists either openly or secretly or in some sneaky way take some credit for not taking credit for their supposed salvation.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: Matt 10:27

Darkness is not the absence of light.

• God said let there be light and there was light.
• God saw the light, that it was good:
• God divided the light from the darkness.
  • You cannot divide light from nothing: 1 / 0 = 0
  • You can divide light from darkness; Day and Night

The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun. Ps 74:16

Silly sophistry. Darkness is the absence of visible light, and that's the only relevant meaning in that biblical context. It takes a spiritual mind to discern that the separation of light and dark is used as a metaphor for the separation of good and evil. For some reason you are fascinated with these irrelevant philosophical diversions.

And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is light and there is no darkness in him at all. 1 John 1:5​

 

[OstrichSmiling]

No; obedience begins with the hearing of Faith.

I agree. I had hoped that would appear as such in my post with the shared scriptures.
Thank you for posting this.

He lighteth every man that cometh into the world. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? Showing the work of the Law on their hearts! So Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (the word; the Law; HIS Commandments) down from above) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the word; the Law; HIS Commandments) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (Christ; the word; the Law; HIS Commandments) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (manifested in the flesh; our flesh) that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
For Christ (the word; the Law; HIS Commandments in our hearts and mouths) is the end of (the letter of the ) law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word (Christ; the word; the Law; HIS Commandments in our hearts, mouths and minds) of God.

(Rom 1:20; 2:4,15 10:6-8,4,17)

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Silly sophistry. Darkness is the absence of visible light, and that's the only relevant meaning in that biblical context. It takes a spiritual mind to discern that the separation of light and dark is used as a metaphor for the separation of good and evil. For some reason you are fascinated with these irrelevant philosophical diversions.

And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is light and there is no darkness in him at all. 1 John 1:5​

Old Testament verse in the Book of the Prophet Isaiah has him telling us that God said he is both the darkness and the light.
What of that? Does God speak silly sophistry?

 

[OstrichSmiling]

This thread is getting to be really serious and swinging to the really rude side of things. How do we do that when we're talking about the words of God? Do we really teach each other anything when we're slinging sarcastic remarks meant to hurt the feelings of that person we're talking to? God sees all. Would he be proud of us for acting that way?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Old Testament verse in the Book of the Prophet Isaiah has him telling us that God said he is both the darkness and the light.
What of that? Does God speak silly sophistry?

I have looked for that verse and can't find it.

 

[OstrichSmiling]

I have looked for that verse and can't find it.

Isaiah 45. I apologize. I should have been precise when referencing Isaiah.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Isaiah 45. I apologize. I should have been precise when referencing Isaiah.

I don't see what you said. It says he created darkness and light, not that he is darkness and light.

 

[MarkWilliams]

How is it an accusation? It's getting right to the root of the matter. Extremist reformed doctrine based on Calvinist ideas maintains that man has no abiity to do GOD's righteousness after regeneration. That's what drives much of their confusion and contradictory logic.

You have been deluded by Satanic Arminiuism, you soul is darkened and you have no ability to see know the truth. You are sealed for destruction

 

[MarkWilliams]

How is it an accusation? It's getting right to the root of the matter. Extremist reformed doctrine based on Calvinist ideas maintains that man has no abiity to do GOD's righteousness after regeneration. That's what drives much of their confusion and contradictory logic.

Satan has blinded your foolish mind to believe that you are sinless when in fact you're still a filthy sinner. Repent now or you will burn in the lake of fire

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You have been deluded by Satanic Arminiuism, you soul is darkened and you have no ability to see know the truth. You are sealed for destruction

You are under the influence of a spirit that makes you misspell words and use bad syntax.