The Law

[lightbearer]

Sorry

No problem

I thought you would have realized that I believe those verses all apply to unbelievers. They're not directed at believers

That is not the problem. This is....

A Christian cannot sin as a sinner,

If a Christian sins they are a sinner; period.
These text are dealing with willful transgression.

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth (practices) sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth (the commandments in our hearts and minds), there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(1Jn 3:5-9; Heb 10:26-31 KJV)

The text in Hebrews says LORD shall judge HIS people; those who have received; taken for themselves the Gift of the Gospel. GOD"S commandments in their hearts and minds; Christians.

 

[lightbearer]

Go back to the beginning, like elementary school

Ah; so you don't know either.

 

[lightbearer]

The Bible says that we will continue to sin until the day we die,

lightbearer said:

Where does it say that. I am not familiar with that verse.

Those who walk in darkness stumble because there is no light in them.....

Agreed. But please expound within the context of the conversation to which you replied.

Incidentally doesn't that verse denounce the common belief in regards to 1 John 1:8. That we can never stop willfully sinning.

 

[BenFTW]

I'm only being honest and nobody likes honesty because it exposes them for who they are.

People like Joel Osten will tell you, you're a great sinless person and lead you straight to hell.

You must accept the truth that you will continue to sin until God strikes you dead, then you will have to give an account of your life.

Only a false Christian will surrender to sin and give themselves to serve sin, a believer will resit it as much as they can but they will still continue to sin. I can't believe so called Christians can be so deluded by their own sense of grandeur to believe they are somehow holy.

Your not holy, your a fallen sinner and a beggar.

Read Romans 6.

 

[MarkWilliams]

No problemThat is not the problem. This is....
If a Christian sins they are a sinner; period.
These text are dealing with willful transgression.

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth (practices) sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit (practice) sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.


For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth (the commandments in our hearts and minds), there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(1Jn 3:5-9; Heb 10:26-31 KJV)

The text in Hebrews says LORD shall judge HIS people; those who have received; taken for themselves the Gift of the Gospel. GOD"S commandments in their hearts and minds; Christians.

I beg to differ and say there are two different types of sinners, the forgiven and the unforgiving.

The forgiven sinner can only sin by accident where the unforgiven sins deliberately.

You're trying to push the idea that a Christian needs to be perfect and without any sin. That is a ludicrous suggestion and you know it's impossible to stop sinning. You make it sound like no Christian will ever be forgiven for his sins, even though Jesus has already paid for them in full

 

[MarkWilliams]

Read Romans 6.

Paul is talking about giving yourself to sin, as opposed to fighting against sin until your last breath. Saying that we will continue to sin until the end is to acknoledge the fact that we will not be pefercted while we abide in this corrupt body of death.

You have already committed several sins since we last spoke, even a bitter or unclean thought is sin.

 

[lightbearer]

I beg to differ and say there are two different types of sinners, the forgiven and the unforgiving.

The forgiven sinner can only sin by accident where the unforgiven sins deliberately.

You saying so does not make it so. GOD through Hebrews states differently. It says after they have received the knowledge of the truth (the Commandments in their hearts and minds; Christians. If they (Christians) sin willfully, they trodden under foot the Son of GOD. If so there remaineth therefore no sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation.

GOD through Hebrews 6 words it differently...

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
(Heb 6:4-8 KJV)

Once enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift; made partakers of the Holy Ghost; GOD'S commandments in their hearts and minds; Christians. If they shall fall away; willfully sin after recieving the knowledge of the truth. These can not be renewed unto repentance. But shall fall into the hands of the Living GOD; rejected whose end is to be burned.


For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
(2Pe 2:20-22 KJV)

You're trying to push the idea that a Christian needs to be perfect and without any sin.

No we are dealing with willful sin. He that knoweth to good and do it not to him it is sin.

That is a ludicrous suggestion and you know it's impossible to stop sinning.

I am not familiar with that verse. Please show it to me. Sounds like it is not of Faith. If it is not of Faith than it is sin.

Jesus has already paid for them in full

Amen!
And if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness.

Incidentally; how much is all?

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that sins having been separated, we should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes we were healed.
(1Pe 2:24)

We were healed. Go and sin no more lest something worst happen unto us.

 

[lightbearer]

You have already committed several sins since we last spoke, even a bitter or unclean thought is sin.

GOD IS THE JUDGE; ARE YOU GOD?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Only a genuine fool and a false Christian thinks they can do the righteous work of the law.

I actually know the truth about your kind, Satan has deceived you and made you rely on your self righteousness. He deceives you into believing you are living a sinless life and Christ didn't die for your sins.

The Bible is very clear that you have been deceived, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. You are in for a rude shock when you realize that you are yet in your sin.

Only Satan has the power to convince false Christians that they can live a sinless life

You clearly don't understand the faith of Christ. A righteous life is a blameless life, not a sinless life. It's impossible to live a blameless life having an indifference to sin, as your gnostic doctrine says it is OK to do.

 

[Zmouth]

Incidentally doesn't that verse denounce the common belief in regards to 1 John 1:8. That we can never stop willfully sinning.

The LORD is a God of truth, he that is born of God will not lie, if we lie we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Prov 14:5

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Are you a troll? I'm sorry, but you seem to be a character. You are taking a belief and taking it to the extreme. You are attempting to describe a legalist, but in so doing, you are excusing your sin for their admirable though misled endeavor (of perfection through the flesh, instead of the Spirit and God's grace).

Not perfection through the flesh, but perfection through the spirit. Walking in the spirit perfects our lives.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The Bible says that we will continue to sin until the day we die, that includes every single Christian on the planet. You can say it's by choice, but the fact remains that you dear Sir will continue to sin until you drop dead.

No it actually says the exact opposite.

The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this reason the Son of God was revealed: in order to destroy the works of the devil. Everyone who is fathered by God does not practice sin, because his seed resides in him, and he is not able to sin, because he has been fathered by God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are evident: everyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, and the one who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:8-10​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Only a false Christian will surrender to sin and give themselves to serve sin, a believer will resit it as much as they can but they will still continue to sin. I can't believe so called Christians can be so deluded by their own sense of grandeur to believe they are somehow holy.

You're deluded by Calvin's total inability.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Those who walk in darkness stumble because there is no light in them.....

Those who walk in Christ don't walk in darkness. Therefore, there is no occasion of stumbling in them.

 

[lightbearer]

Paul is talking about giving yourself to sin, as opposed to fighting against sin until your last breath. Saying that we will continue to sin until the end is to acknoledge the fact that we will not be pefercted while we abide in this corrupt body of death.

For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
(Rom 7:5 KJV)
The motion of sins Did work in our members when we were in the flesh. Past tense my friend!

Then Paul speaks of his being in the flesh and having the knowledge of the Law. He states that the knowledge of the Law is not going to cut it.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
(Rom 7:24-25 KJV)

The mind in this verse is dealing with the intellect; knowledge. Here is Strong's citation.

G3563
νοῦς
nous
nooce
Probably from the base of G1097; the intellect, that is, mind (divine or human; in thought, feeling, or will); by implication meaning: - mind, understanding. Compare G5590.
Total KJV occurrences: 24

Out side of most not knowing that. What is sadder is most fail to realize that Paul through the Holy Spirit is not finished with his testimony.

He goes on to say....

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
(Rom 8:2-5 KJV)

Sin has been condemned in the flesh; JESUS'S. Paul and we have been made free from the Law of sin and death because sin has been condemned; sentenced! Jesus Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that sins having been separated, we should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes we were healed. That the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us. Who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh
(1Pe 2:24)


Fulfilled in us! Fulfilled; to make replete. Very full; saited. Crammed leveled up. No room for anything else. According to our Faith let it be unto us; Amen. For he that sins is a servant of sin. But the Son has made us free and free we are indeed.

G4137
πληρόω
plēroō
play-ro'-o
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
Total KJV occurrences: 90

 

[lightbearer]

You're deluded by Calvin's total inability.

Why feed his accusations with more accusations? Ill begets ill.

 

[lightbearer]

The LORD is a God of truth, he that is born of God will not lie, if we lie we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies. Prov 14:5

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be to ME THE SON. (singular) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
(Rev 21:7-8)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why feed his accusations with more accusations? Ill begets ill.

How is it an accusation? It's getting right to the root of the matter. Extremist reformed doctrine based on Calvinist ideas maintains that man has no abiity to do GOD's righteousness after regeneration. That's what drives much of their confusion and contradictory logic.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be to ME THE SON. (singular) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
(Rev 21:7-8)

What translation are you using that says THE son? The Greek doesn't say that.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What translation are you using that says THE son? The Greek doesn't say that.

Oh I see. You got "the son" from the Greek Textus Receptus. Other manuscripts have "a son". So there is a variant in that verse.