Not By Works

[TruthTalk]

The Ten Virgins, including the five who were not prepared, must have (1) believed in the bridegroom, and (2) that the bridegroom was coming or they wouldn't have been waiting.

So, it seems that (1) we cannot assume eternal salvation, and (2) the un-preparedness of the five suggests they failed to run the race to the end.

Truly amazing, weddings are the same around the world; you do not need to be saved to participate in a wedding procession. The bible is silent about whether the five bridesmaids without oil were saved or not saved, when the bible is silent about an issue then we should be silent also. "Biblical Rules of Interpretation 101."

Your bias about the Bridesmaids failing to run the race to the end is because, "Eternal Salvation" is offensive to you. Your assuming that the bridesmaids lost their eternal salvation is your opinion only, the bible does not say they did, so that your interpretation and applications are false. Eternal Salvation is supported by the bible in many places.

John10:28
28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

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[BillG]

But the Bible says "Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. " (1 John 3:9)

Looks like you're in some trouble.

Sorry Budman but why is PS in some trouble.
He has said he does sin

 

[TruthTalk]

Sorry PS I'm struggling to understand what you are saying.
If they did not endure then they stopped running and trurned their back on Jesus.

Therefore not waiting for him.

Hi BillG, I wrote this to poster "PS" because his interpretation of the bridesmaids with out oil is completely off the tracks.
I hope this helps you to not struggle too much. PS interprets the bible according to what he wants it to say which is wrong.

God bless!
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Quote to PS.
Truly amazing, weddings are the same around the world; you do not need to be saved to participate in a wedding procession. The bible is silent about whether the five bridesmaids without oil were saved or not saved, when the bible is silent about an issue then we should be silent also. "Biblical Rules of Interpretation 101."

Your bias about the Bridesmaids failing to run the race to the end is because, "Eternal Salvation" is offensive to you. Your assuming that the bridesmaids lost their eternal salvation is your opinion only, the bible does not say they did, so that your interpretation and applications are false. Eternal Salvation is supported by the bible in many places.

John10:28
28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

 

[TruthTalk]

Sorry Budman but why is PS in some trouble.
He has said he does sin

Hi BillG, PS is a false teacher and a deceiver big time, be very careful when you read his posts they are very deceptive.

 

[MarkWilliams]

So many people miss the simplicity of the gospel.

Charles Stanley wrote:

Christians cannot be lost because we have no sins left to pay for. 100% of sins have been forgiven. The potential for being unforgiven has been done away with. The risk factor is zero

Salvation is a gift that cannot be taken back. A gift that can be taken back is no gift at all. True gifts have no strings attached. Once you place a condition of any kind on a gift, it becomes a trade, not a gift.

You cannot even give it back. You can give it back only if the giver accepts the return. In the case of salvation God has a strict no-return policy.

After salvation, not a single work is required to keep it. God does not even require a constant attitude of faith in order to be saved - only an act of faith. Christians are not saved because we have enduring faith. We are saved because we expressed faith in our enduring Lord.

Some will claim that belief/faith is itself a work, but the Bible shoots that down very quickly:

"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Ephesians 2:8-9)

The Bible clearly says faith is not a work.

It's 100% Jesus, or not at all.

Thank you very much for explaining it so perfectly, I have been trying to say the same thing but I have been accused of all kinds of heresy for it.
They can't argue with Biblical facts

 

[BillG]

Hi BillG, PS is a false teacher and a deceiver big time, be very careful when you read his posts they are very deceptive.

I get you.
But is it possible that one has been deceived?
Therefore teach the deception we have fallen for.

I would say yes. I fell foul of it myself.
Now I know different.

Brother EG has said he was deceived by false teaching.
Now he knows the truth.

Why and how, just like me?

 

[Seohce]

Romans 2:5-10 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing
up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be
revealed. God “will give to each person according to what he has done.” To those who by
persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for
those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and
anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew,
then for the Genttile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew,
then for the Gentile.

 

[TruthTalk]

I get you.
But is it possible that one has been deceived?
Therefore teach the deception we have fallen for.

I would say yes. I fell foul of it myself.
Now I know different.

Brother EG has said he was deceived by false teaching.
Now he knows the truth.

Why and how, just like me?

Likewise I was deceive as were you and E-g, the Holy Spirit brought us out of the deception. Their will always be deceivers who will "try" to lead God's people astray, the first one was in the Garden of Eden.

God bless!

 

[TruthTalk]

[QUOTE="BillG, post: 3634864, member: 252071"

The second paragraph is your post above, "can't figure out how to add post as a quote."[/QUOTE]

Hi BillG, easy, click "REPlY", at the bottom right side of the post you are reading

A new "REPLY" page will drop down and just start writing your message

When your finished just click, "POST REPLY", simple and easy bro.

 

[VCO]

Hi BillG, I wrote this to poster "PS" because his interpretation of the bridesmaids with out oil is completely off the tracks.
I hope this helps you to not struggle too much. PS interprets the bible according to what he wants it to say which is wrong.

God bless!

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That PS {he or she} lost track off what the OIL REALLY REPRESENTS.


They NEVER HAD SALVATION TO LOSE. The Symbolism NO OIL IN THEIR LAMPS, means the HOLY SPIRIT was not PRESENT. They were always JUST a Church Goer, without the HOLY SPIRIT being involved.

HOW DO I KNOW THAT THE OIL REPRESENTS THE HOLY SPIRIT:

Matthew 25:4 (HCSB)
4 But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.

Hebrews 1:9 (HCSB)
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.

Galatians 5:22-23 (HCSB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

 

[TruthTalk]

That PS {he or she} lost track off what the OIL REALLY REPRESENTS.


They NEVER HAD SALVATION TO LOSE. The Symbolism NO OIL IN THEIR LAMPS, means the HOLY SPIRIT was not PRESENT. They were always JUST a Church Goer, without the HOLY SPIRIT being involved.

HOW DO I KNOW THAT THE OIL REPRESENTS THE HOLY SPIRIT:

Matthew 25:4 (HCSB)
4 But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.

Hebrews 1:9 (HCSB)
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; this is why God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy rather than Your companions.

Galatians 5:22-23 (HCSB)
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Point taken very well, no oil, no Holy Spirit, the five bridesmaids without oil were not saved.
Again around the world you do not need to be saved to be a bridesmaid.

 

[VCO]

If you were following what I write, I said -

• Love requires obedience.

. . .

JPT

How do you ever expect to arrive at the truth, when YOUR FIRST STATEMENT IS AN ERROR.


LOVE IS OBEDIENCE, it says so:

1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
3 For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,

1 John 4:8 (NJB)
8 Whoever fails to love does not know God, because God is love.

 

[TruthTalk]

If you were following what I write, I said - "Love requires obedience."

Love requires obedience.

Where does it say, Love requires obedience? It does not. You are teaching a false gospel to all these lovely people here.

1Corinthians13:4-8
4) Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5)It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6} Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7) It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8) Love never fails.

 

[PS]

Salvation is not something you win on a game show, "it is the gift of God"

Ephesians2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God."

I was not talking about salvation!

 

[PS]

Ummmmmmmm....your right we cannot assume eternal salvation....why? Because we can KNOW we have eternal salvation.....

Provided we do not turn to the worship of other gods like the Israelites.

 

[TruthTalk]

I was not talking about salvation!

Okay excuse me please

 

[PS]

I hear what you are saying.

But Jesus himself said
"Even If it was possible to deceive the elect"

So is it possible that the elect could be deceived to the point of destruction?

I don't believe that to be the case.

Yes I agree that we need be on guard against ravenous wolves, people who come to deceive.

With regards to John and and Jude such were never saved.

With regards to Acts yes may we be the same.
We need to remember that Peter went to strength and strength.
We must do the same.

Election is a very controversial subject. God knows his elect and we are not God to say "such and such were never saved" as you have said regarding those in John and Jude.

 

[PS]

Truly amazing, weddings are the same around the world; you do not need to be saved to participate in a wedding procession. The bible is silent about whether the five bridesmaids without oil were saved or not saved, when the bible is silent about an issue then we should be silent also. "Biblical Rules of Interpretation 101."

Your bias about the Bridesmaids failing to run the race to the end is because, "Eternal Salvation" is offensive to you. Your assuming that the bridesmaids lost their eternal salvation is your opinion only, the bible does not say they did, so that your interpretation and applications are false. Eternal Salvation is supported by the bible in many places.

John10:28
28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

​

The Bible is not silent on the issue of the five virgins. Jesus said:
Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch, therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. (Mat 25:12-13 KJV)

Adam Clarke asks the question, "How many Christians do watch! How many slumber! How many are asleep! How many seized with a lethargy! How many are unprepared?" Clearly, those who are unprepared, those who slumber, those who do not watch, will be told by Jesus, I know you not. Beware your false doctrine does not lull you into a false sense of security whereby you slumber and sleep.

 

[TruthTalk]

The Bible is not silent on the issue of the five virgins. Jesus said:
Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch, therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. (Mat 25:12-13 KJV)

Adam Clarke asks the question, "How many Christians do watch! How many slumber! How many are asleep! How many seized with a lethargy! How many are unprepared?" Clearly, those who are unprepared, those who slumber, those who do not watch, will be told by Jesus, I know you not. Beware your false doctrine does not lull you into a false sense of security whereby you slumber and sleep.

The five without oil, "the Holy Spirit", were watching, but their lamps were out of oil, they were hangers on, not saved.
But I understand your position and disagree.

 

[MarkWilliams]

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand.


The Gospel was preached by John the Baptist, then Jesus, and then His Apostles, long before the New Testament was written.

• From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matthew 4:17

• and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.” Mark 1:15

I have asked you to provide scripture for the things you say.


Much of what you say is just things your Pastor has said and may or may not be biblical.


By going to the scriptures and studying what the scriptures teach, you will learn for yourself.


Get down on your knees and pray and ask God to fill you with His Spirit, and teach you His word.




JPT

It took me a long time before I found a Church that faithfully preaches the Word of God.

My Pastor is highly educated and a very faithful teacher, nobody in our Church or anyone else has ever found a single fault with his preaching. We all benefit from his diligent studies and wealth of Biblical knowledge, so I have been blessed to be under his ministry. He is a Calvinist through and through, because Calvinism is 100% Biblical. It's far more faithful to the true meaning of Holy Scripture than any other views.

I have heard many arguments and debates by highly qualified Doctors of theology, and all of the faithful ones agree with Calvinism. Only those who like to twist the scriptures to suit their own narrow minded agenda will disagree with it.