UFOs and Aliens

[MarkWilliams]

True.. BUT who is to say that there is not life on other planets? Why put life on only ONE planet, and leave the others devoid of any other life form?

If Earth is the only planet with a life form on it, then the other planets were created for a useless purpose..

Yes God did tell us about everything He created, He even got Adam to name them and there were no Elves or Fairies among them. He told us He created Angels and Demons (or Aliens) as some prefer to call them.
He told us He created the stars and planets for us to admire and explore, He never said we have cousins out there. He would have told us if He created them.
We haven't even learned everything about our own planet and all the kinds of animals so we shouldn't worry about the void of space, it has nothing to offer except for beautiful night sky.

 

[trofimus]

The earth atmosphere extends 600 miles above the earth. Source: https://www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.html

That would indicate that the diameter of the earth and atmosphere is 8,526 miles, or rather the distance at which the bow is seen in the cloud (firmament) which the LORD brought over the earth like a garment (See Job 38:9) from the frozen waters that at one time covered the entire face of the earth (see Genesis 1:2).

Since the cloud is held in place by a band of invisible light, which is referred unto as swaddlingband in Job 38:9, which is the electromagnetic bands of light which produce what is known as the Van Allen Radiation belts that pulls and pushes on the earth which results in the earth's turning on it axis.

The ISS is actually in a free fall, however it remains above the earth due to the earth's rotation, meaning it moves at a speed that matches the way Earth's surface curves.

Your own source says:

"Earth's atmosphere is about 300 miles (480 kilometers) thick, but most of it is within 10 miles (16 km) the surface."

"The thermosphere is considered part of Earth's atmosphere, but air density is so low that most of this layer is what is normally thought of as outer space. In fact, this is where the space shuttles flew and where the International Space Station orbits Earth."

 

[posthuman]

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Space begins in 100 kilometers which is 62 miles high.

The ISS is about 200 miles far away from Earth, so its 3x higher than where space begins.

I am not sure why, then, I could hardly call that space...?

Also, ISS means "International Space Station". The name is not random.

Not to mention that living in a can in orbit in basically vacuum with zero available resources other than starlight is a lot more constraining than a permanent habitat on the surface of a mineral rich body..

 

[justpassinthrough]

The Bible says, those who don't believe in Jesus as their personal savior are condemned to the lake of fire.

You seem to be ignoring what this scripture so plainly says.

• “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

• He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

To believe these words means you obey these words.



Do you believe a Christian who takes the mark of the beast is still saved?




JPT

 

[MarkWilliams]

You seem to be ignoring what this scripture so plainly says.

• “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

• He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

To believe these words means you obey these words.



Do you believe a Christian who takes the mark of the beast is still saved?




JPT

You don't seem to be ignoring Gods Word, you actually are. Since when can a saved person receive the mark of the Best, you're saying Jesus is a big liar when He said He saves us from evil.
A saved person cannot, will not, has no interest in, refuses and has absolutely no chance of losing his salvation or taking any mark.
You're saying Jesus is a loser and a liar, when He said He would lose none. Please go and study the scriptures and illuminate your dark mind

 

[tanakh]

I saw 2001 on DVD recently for the first time in decades. I still can't really understand the ending but think it has some connection with reincarnation. It was amusing to see what people expected 2001 to look like back in 1968 from a 2018 standpoint. There were some scenes that I think had been shortened on the DVD though.

I m not really concerned about aliens

 

[posthuman]

I saw 2001 on DVD recently for the first time in decades. I still can't really understand the ending but think it has some connection with reincarnation. It was amusing to see what people expected 2001 to look like back in 1968 from a 2018 standpoint. There were some scenes that I think had been shortened on the DVD though.

I m not really concerned about aliens

i would like a monolith action figure.

 

[Nauga]

like, a ladder?

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LOL Well the ladder bit was in a dream so I'll take that one to be symbolic of a higher form of tech.

 

[claysmithr]

You seem to be ignoring what this scripture so plainly says.

• “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

• He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

To believe these words means you obey these words.



Do you believe a Christian who takes the mark of the beast is still saved?




JPT

No, because part of taking the mark of the beast is worshiping the Anti-Christ.

 

[Zmouth]

Your own source says:

"Earth's atmosphere is about 300 miles (480 kilometers) thick, but most of it is within 10 miles (16 km) the surface."

"The thermosphere is considered part of Earth's atmosphere, but air density is so low that most of this layer is what is normally thought of as outer space. In fact, this is where the space shuttles flew and where the International Space Station orbits Earth."

Whatever, it certain disproves your statement that the atmosphere ends 60 miles above the earth since the atmosphere is considered the air which extends above the surface of the earth. Of course the higher the air rises above the earth the less density it will have since true space (outer) is considered a vacuum, or empty of any matter having mass. Yet all of outer space has atoms, just very few relative to the volume of area.

The reason the ISS orbits the earth at 200-250 miles above the earth is because there is still enough air density to produce 90% of the gravity upon the space station that is produced by air density upon the earth's surface. However at that height in the earth's atmosphere, it is able to free fall yet remain at the same height above the earth because it is falling in the atmosphere as the atmosphere is rotating with the earth's surface. So it is the air which is keeping the space station afloat above the earth's surface.

 

[trofimus]

Whatever, it certain disproves your statement that the atmosphere ends 60 miles above the earth since the atmosphere is considered the air which extends above the surface of the earth. Of course the higher the air rises above the earth the less density it will have since true space (outer) is considered a vacuum, or empty of any matter having mass. Yet all of outer space has atoms, just very few relative to the volume of area.

The reason the ISS orbits the earth at 200-250 miles above the earth is because there is still enough air density to produce 90% of the gravity upon the space station that is produced by air density upon the earth's surface. However at that height in the earth's atmosphere, it is able to free fall yet remain at the same height above the earth because it is falling in the atmosphere as the atmosphere is rotating with the earth's surface. So it is the air which is keeping the space station afloat above the earth's surface.

I did not say that atmosphere ends 60 miles above the earth. I said that space begins in 100 kilometers/62 miles.

I did not operate with atmosphere at all in any way.

Also, the overall point was that we, as humanity, are able to sustain a life in space. The height does not matter so much or whether we call it atmosphere or termosphere or space. We are capable of doing that and thats my point.

 

[justpassinthrough]

No, because part of taking the mark of the beast is worshiping the Anti-Christ.

Yes.

Christian’s who do that will be cast into the lake of fire.

Everyone else is already lost.

 

[justpassinthrough]

You don't seem to be ignoring Gods Word, you actually are. Since when can a saved person receive the mark of the Best, you're saying Jesus is a big liar when He said He saves us from evil.
A saved person cannot, will not, has no interest in, refuses and has absolutely no chance of losing his salvation or taking any mark.
You're saying Jesus is a loser and a liar, when He said He would lose none. Please go and study the scriptures and illuminate your dark mind

Please quote the scripture that says it’s impossible for a Christian to take the mark of the beast.



JPT

 

[MarkWilliams]

of course it's not possible for man to live in the vacuum of space. no one is suggesting that.

that doesn't mean it's impossible to build habitations in any environment, and it's completely unnecessary to ship raw materials from earth to a place where all those materials are already found and can be processed. you would not send water and oxygen to a colony on Titan; you'd mine it from Titan itself. Saturns moons are an enormous wealth of raw material - if a star-traversing civilization were to 'pit-stop' in our solar system for refueling, either there or the Jovian system are the obvious places they'd want to first exploit.
the argument that a habitat may need to be linked by a supply line of some kind doesn't preclude the existence of such a habitat, either -- consider a place like Phoenix Arizona, for example. ridiculous heat and scarcity of water, but thriving because utilities are piped in via supply lines.

i'd submit that the determining factors for why there is no permanent human presence on our own Luna right now are socio-economic, not technological. cheap heavy-lift capability, public interest which generates financial backing and profit motive. if there was money to be made by colonizing Phoebe, we'd be there already.

I don't believe the reason why we haven't attempted to live on other planets/moons is not economical, it is rather the reason or motive. There is absolutely no reason or need or motivation to pursue such a venture, there's no point.

 

[MarkWilliams]

Yes.

Christian’s who do that will be cast into the lake of fire.

Everyone else is already lost.

I beg to differ, the Bible tells us that Christians will not receive the mark of the Best, but false Christians will

 

[Angela53510]

What a hilarious thread! Post, I laughed so hard about your monolith action figure!

Anyway, I have been a Sci-Fi fan since I was 11, when I read my first book. Back when the Sci-Fi section in the library consisted of 20 books, which I read in a few weeks. Then I had to go back into historical fiction, till the next new Sci-Fi book came in. I watched Star Trek from the first episode back in the 60’s, and put up with silly series like Lost in Space. I have kept up my reading and movie watching, having read pretty much every Sci-Fi novel and short story that was ever written. But not comics! That was my line in the sand.

i watched every Sci-Fi movie ever created, every documentary about Science Fiction, and lover it all.

The one thing I learned, besides all the subgenres, like military and fantasy etc, was that Science Fiction promotes a world view. It can be Buddhist, like Arthur C Clarke, or atheist like Asimov, or hedonist like Robert Heinlein. There is even Christian Science Fiction, which I have found and reread, like the Narnis Stories. But ALL science fiction reflects the philosophy, the ontology of the author!

Make no mistake about it! You are being swayed by some world view or other, unless you are very firm in your faith. Very easy to get swayed to this aliens are demons nonsense, without any Biblical proof. Because there is none! Just speculation!

The other thing I have learned, besides some imaginative speculations on where science will go, is that Science Fiction is FICTION!

I just can’t believe so many people have forgotten that! It is made up! Forget about aliens or demons. Science Fiction is fiction! You need to hold that truth in your mind, while you read this outlandish genre (which I love!)

When I was 11, I watched The Time Machine on TV and I was so scared I couldn’t sleep for nights. So I got the book out of the library, thinking I knew the ending. Well, the book had another scary ending, another week of being scared and not sleeping.

The valuable lesdon i learned was -enjoy the fiction, but always remember it is not real.

Only the Bible is real, and there are NO passages that connect aliens, demons, angels or end times!

So, spend your time drawing close to Jesus, and don’t believe what is written in FICTION!

 

[posthuman]

I don't believe the reason why we haven't attempted to live on other planets/moons is not economical, it is rather the reason or motive. There is absolutely no reason or need or motivation to pursue such a venture, there's no point.

why do people climb mountains?

if it's economically profitable to completely remove a mountain to get some coal, people do it.
if it becomes profitable to establish mining colonies on other heavenly bodies, people will do it. it's not a problem of not having the technology to be able to do it, or there being no valuable resources out there - it's largely a problem of it costing more than it's worth to go get them. but even now there are companies working out how to go get an asteroid and do exactly that, mine it. if we can work that out in a profitable way, it's not a big step to do the same thing on a moon or other planet.

 

[glf1]

Just after the Rapture, while the world comes to grips with huge numbers of people suddenly missing from their homes, or while mingling, or operating vehicles; the media will have live-at-five videos of mass UFO kidnappings to conceal the real reason why so many people have disappeared.

 

[OneFaith]

Oh my! Where in the bible does it say God is in control of all things? You and I do agree though that there is not life on other planets outside the this system...I believe that there at least WAS life on Mars, Saturn and the planet that ones lay between Mars and Jupiter..Rahab. Rahab is now the asteroid belt.

"With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

"I know You can do all things and no plan of Yours can be thwarted." Job 42:2

"Is anything too difficult for Me." Jeremiah 32:27

 

[OneFaith]

I made my point concerning this above.....I strongly believe aliens ARE demons. In disguise. I believe that this is a major part of the coming great deception which WILL claim many Christians. But that's only my belief.

"The devil was hurled to THE earth and his demons with him." Revelation 1:29