A Simple Question, No Contention, No Controversy
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Acts 15 is very instructive for what God required of the Gentiles. The Judaziers thought new believers had to be circumcised, just like the Jews were. After much discussion, Peter says,
"After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that some time ago God chose me to preach to the Gentiles so they would hear the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, has testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between them and us, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? 11 On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they are.” Acts 15:7-11 NET
God does NOT want to have a heavy yoke on the Gentile believers, because the Jews themselves were not able to keep the laws. So, the first Jerusalem Council hammered out an acceptable scheme for Gentile believers to follow. Please note that the Sabbath is NOT mentioned.
"For it seemed best to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place any greater burden on you than these necessary rules: 29 that you abstain from meat that has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what has been strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from doing these things, you will do well. Farewell." Acts 15:28-29
As you can see, 4 things only were required of the Gentiles:
1. Meat sacrificed to idols (later Paul spoke against that, in 1 Corinthians 8, which is too long to quote here!)
2. Blood
3. What has been strangled
4. Sexual immorality
So, no burden, abstain from the above 4 things. I think if God had wanted Gentile believers to continue celebrating the Sabbath as the Jews did, there would have been no better time, than the Jerusalem council, which discussed the law, and stopped the Judaizers from pressuring the Gentile believers to do something God did not require. The Sabbath and circumcision are not on the list. Therefore, we do NOT have to celebrate the Sabbath according to Jewish law. And I guess the men can celebrate they don't have to be circumcised to be a believer!
End of discussion!
"After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that some time ago God chose me to preach to the Gentiles so they would hear the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, has testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us, 9 and he made no distinction between them and us, cleansing their hearts by faith. 10 So now why are you putting God to the test by placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our ancestors nor we have been able to bear? 11 On the contrary, we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they are.” Acts 15:7-11 NET
God does NOT want to have a heavy yoke on the Gentile believers, because the Jews themselves were not able to keep the laws. So, the first Jerusalem Council hammered out an acceptable scheme for Gentile believers to follow. Please note that the Sabbath is NOT mentioned.
"For it seemed best to the Holy Spirit and to us not to place any greater burden on you than these necessary rules: 29 that you abstain from meat that has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what has been strangled and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from doing these things, you will do well. Farewell." Acts 15:28-29
As you can see, 4 things only were required of the Gentiles:
1. Meat sacrificed to idols (later Paul spoke against that, in 1 Corinthians 8, which is too long to quote here!)
2. Blood
3. What has been strangled
4. Sexual immorality
So, no burden, abstain from the above 4 things. I think if God had wanted Gentile believers to continue celebrating the Sabbath as the Jews did, there would have been no better time, than the Jerusalem council, which discussed the law, and stopped the Judaizers from pressuring the Gentile believers to do something God did not require. The Sabbath and circumcision are not on the list. Therefore, we do NOT have to celebrate the Sabbath according to Jewish law. And I guess the men can celebrate they don't have to be circumcised to be a believer!
End of discussion!
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No. It was God who gave the Church the Lord's Day.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).
It is interesting how some Christians today can cavalierly dismiss "the Lord's Day" as being of no consequence whatsoever. But if it is called "the LORD's Day" then -- by definition -- it is higher than the weekly sabbath.
Christ could have spoken to John on any day of the week. But He deliberately chose to visit John on the Lord's Day -- when John was worshiping in Spirit and in truth. Again, the significance of this incident is contemptuously dismissed by Sabbatarians.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11).
It is interesting how some Christians today can cavalierly dismiss "the Lord's Day" as being of no consequence whatsoever. But if it is called "the LORD's Day" then -- by definition -- it is higher than the weekly sabbath.
Christ could have spoken to John on any day of the week. But He deliberately chose to visit John on the Lord's Day -- when John was worshiping in Spirit and in truth. Again, the significance of this incident is contemptuously dismissed by Sabbatarians.
Good morning from here all.
I have always understood the story of creation to be about the cretion and all it entails with the Seventh Dayi a foretelling of the thousand years of Christ's reign on earth, with peace.
The idea of changing God's plan for His children forme is horrific.
I do not believe it matters what day of the week people consider the day they go to church, or rather, assemble, but the Seventh Day understood for what is truly represents iwill always follow the six days of labor and creation .
This is not a law, not a commandment it is a gift from the Father to His children.
I have always understood the story of creation to be about the cretion and all it entails with the Seventh Dayi a foretelling of the thousand years of Christ's reign on earth, with peace.
The idea of changing God's plan for His children forme is horrific.
I do not believe it matters what day of the week people consider the day they go to church, or rather, assemble, but the Seventh Day understood for what is truly represents iwill always follow the six days of labor and creation .
This is not a law, not a commandment it is a gift from the Father to His children.
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Why are many ignoring it , simple , there was a decree sent forth to all asia minor and surrounding areas to follow the Roman Emperor order's. To keep a certain calendar , a certain date for passover along with certain festival that God never intended His people to keep.
A large amount of truth has been compromised and lost , due to following orders of men , but these things don't save.
But we are here to find common ground as brothers in Christ Jesus the Lord , I believe when the Lord returns all will be in order , and there will no longer be any man made adjustment to His statues that He himself has ordain for us to follow.
A large amount of truth has been compromised and lost , due to following orders of men , but these things don't save.
Satan has crafted a web of lies , that have made , many individuals fall into the state of Emotionalism.
But we are here to find common ground as brothers in Christ Jesus the Lord , I believe when the Lord returns all will be in order , and there will no longer be any man made adjustment to His statues that He himself has ordain for us to follow.
I believe we can come to a agreement upon this posthuman shalom
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The point my friend is that gentiles are NOT TO REMAIN GENTILES but be CONVERTED ! Acts 3v19-23 !!! ALL,everybody has to TURN TO THE LORD, the REAL TRUE LORD[of the Sabbath} - not one of the FALSE christs we are WARNED of and who DECEIVE MANY Mat 24.
In christian teaching you never hear anything about CONversion because they don't want you to TURN and be RESTORED to the ORIGINAL state GOD intended for ALL Men ! NOW is the time of REFRESHING and REGENERATION when the LOST SHEEP should return to the only true Shepherd
1Pet 2v29 for you were as sheep going astray, but are now returned 'unto the Shepherd and and Bishop of your Souls.
So that is the reason why there are NO instructions in the Bible for gentiles, christians or any other group like they are given for ISRAEL !!! because all must TURN to the LORD our SAVIOUR ...to be SAVED ! This is FREE CHOICE and not a command !!!
In christian teaching you never hear anything about CONversion because they don't want you to TURN and be RESTORED to the ORIGINAL state GOD intended for ALL Men ! NOW is the time of REFRESHING and REGENERATION when the LOST SHEEP should return to the only true Shepherd
1Pet 2v29 for you were as sheep going astray, but are now returned 'unto the Shepherd and and Bishop of your Souls.
So that is the reason why there are NO instructions in the Bible for gentiles, christians or any other group like they are given for ISRAEL !!! because all must TURN to the LORD our SAVIOUR ...to be SAVED ! This is FREE CHOICE and not a command !!!
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Hmm I finally get on here to check the site out and lo and behold someone wants others to "submit" to their "belief" I hope you're not expecting a great multitude to buy into your banter because anyone can witness the shroud you hide behind whether believer or not it's very easy to spot "selfish,self righteous" people don't you have anything more "productive" to be doing?
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Return?
Why would God have people come back to him when now the "shepherd" is "Jesus" being given all "power and authority"?
Also that's a pretty "appalling" remark saying that "conversion" is never heard in Christian teaching especially considering you are on a "Christian site" granted there are some denominations or cults that don't focus on coversion but in essence "conversion" happens as people are taught "God's word" and especially "about Jesus" in fact such a statement is rather "absurd" because "unbelievers" being "converted" to becoming "believers" happens.
Why would God have people come back to him when now the "shepherd" is "Jesus" being given all "power and authority"?
Also that's a pretty "appalling" remark saying that "conversion" is never heard in Christian teaching especially considering you are on a "Christian site" granted there are some denominations or cults that don't focus on coversion but in essence "conversion" happens as people are taught "God's word" and especially "about Jesus" in fact such a statement is rather "absurd" because "unbelievers" being "converted" to becoming "believers" happens.
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I agree and will be even more precise.....
NO ONE should turn JEWISH....no one....they also made/make a lot of mistakes.
WE ARE TO TURN TO THE TRUE LORD ! When Jesus started His Ministry He stopped walking in JEWRY Joh 7v1, another sign we should not become jewish. But don't forget there are other Tribes of Israel BESIDES Jews....nobody considers them but GOD...He has not forgotten and speaks to these LOST SHEEP !
NO ONE should turn JEWISH....no one....they also made/make a lot of mistakes.
WE ARE TO TURN TO THE TRUE LORD ! When Jesus started His Ministry He stopped walking in JEWRY Joh 7v1, another sign we should not become jewish. But don't forget there are other Tribes of Israel BESIDES Jews....nobody considers them but GOD...He has not forgotten and speaks to these LOST SHEEP !
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Exactly in fact "both" Jewish and Gentiles,now are "Christians" whomever "accepts" Jesus and his works after all how can one return to one whom is "already present" in our lives?
God,Jesus,and the Holy spirit are one, Jesus made this "perfectly clear" to his disciples through answering questions and rebuking,so it's really "simple" in essence when you accept "Jesus" you accept God and the Holy spirit as well,whether you knew God before hand is of no importance or consequence.
God,Jesus,and the Holy spirit are one, Jesus made this "perfectly clear" to his disciples through answering questions and rebuking,so it's really "simple" in essence when you accept "Jesus" you accept God and the Holy spirit as well,whether you knew God before hand is of no importance or consequence.
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Don't be too hasty in your reasoning....people have to be converted to the TRUTH...that is the whole point of conversion ! TRUTH ! not changed from one false belief to another...that's not true conversion.
I'm sorry if I'm offending you...but it's the SICK who need a Doctor not those who are well...so I have needs be talk to the sick ! sorry to offend ! I know medicine can be very nasty !
I'm sorry if I'm offending you...but it's the SICK who need a Doctor not those who are well...so I have needs be talk to the sick ! sorry to offend ! I know medicine can be very nasty !
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Well quite frankly your "Truth" is "bizarre",you want people to come back to Godhim but you believe they aren't to be jewish and you believe that Christianity doesn't "teach conversion" so just what is your belief?
Because due to these posts of yours you aren't jewish,gentile,or Christian.
Because due to these posts of yours you aren't jewish,gentile,or Christian.
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