Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

[posthuman]

The Bible has already answered your question Post, you just don't believe it.

Here you go, dude:

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Now if the physical commandment of God ((Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Leviticus 12 etc)) which supercedes the physical sabbath commandments ((John 7)) is nothing in the richness of Christ compared with faith working through love in us as new creations by the wonder of His gracious work ---- what does that imply about the physical observation of a day?

((in re: thread topic))

 

[Studyman]

Why aren't you able to tell the answer then?

I posted the answer with God's Word's. You just can't see it. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had the same problem.

 

[posthuman]

I posted the answer with God's Word's. You just can't see it. The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had the same problem.

If the answer is 'physical circumcision was never commanded by God only circumcision of the heart' you're wrong. If your answer is Levi is no longer priest you're also wrong because circumcision didn't come through Moses; it's the si6of a greater covenant than Sinai.
And that's the only thing resembling an answer I've heard from you.

 

[Studyman]

Here you go, dude:

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Now if the physical commandment of God ((Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Leviticus 12 etc)) which supercedes the physical sabbath commandments ((John 7)) is nothing in the richness of Christ compared with faith working through love in us as new creations by the wonder of His gracious work ---- what does that imply about the physical observation of a day?

((in re: thread topic))

So go ahead and use the killing of animals for atonement of sins, and physical Circumcision as an excuse to reject God's Sabbath if you want.

But your lack of belief, or understanding doesn't render the Word's of God, the Word which became Flesh, Void.

Is. 56:
1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Is. 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD (The Word which became Flesh) and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Mark 2:
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

"But they said, We will not walk therein."

 

[Studyman]

If the answer is 'physical circumcision was never commanded by God only circumcision of the heart' you're wrong. If your answer is Levi is no longer priest you're also wrong because circumcision didn't come through Moses; it's the si6of a greater covenant than Sinai.
And that's the only thing resembling an answer I've heard from you.

You don't seem interested in the truth about Circumcision, only in justifying the ancient religious tradition of rejecting God's Sabbath.

Because of this agenda, you are not allowed to see even the Painfully obvious, IMO.

Ez. 44:7 In that ye (Who is in charge of the service of the Sanctuary?) have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, (Who offers the bread in the Sanctuary?) the fat and the blood, (Who offers the fat and the Blood in God's Sanctuary?) and they (Who?) have broken my covenant because of all your (Who?) abominations.
8 And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: (Who was in Charge of the Holy things? ) but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves. (Who appointed "Keepers" of the Charge of the Sanctuary)
9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel. (Was Jesus uncircumcised either in Flesh or the Heart?, Is He not the New "Keeper of the Sanctuary?)

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

Of course you will not answer these questions because they expose your unbelief.

We are not going to agree Post. I'm only engaging so others who may be seeking can witness the argument.

 

[posthuman]

nor uncircumcised in flesh

do you accept that physical circumcision was commanded by God, or do you deny it?

 

[posthuman]

So go ahead and use the killing of animals for atonement of sins, and physical Circumcision as an excuse to reject God's Sabbath if you want.

you do not know whether i keep sabbath or not, and slanderously impugning my character has nothing to do with the wonderful picture of Jesus displayed in {Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Leviticus 12, Ezekiel 44, John 7, Acts 15, 1 Corinthians 7, Galatians 5-6 et al.}

do you accept that physical circumcision was commanded by God or do you deny it?

 

[Jeremiah74]

Maybe defining terms is a good idea.

What is Faith ?

What is love ?

what is righteousness ?

What is circumcision of the heart ?

What is circumcision of the flesh ?

 

[posthuman]

But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it.
(Exodus 12:48)​

let the one who is hungry come, buy bread without price

Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands -- remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
(Ephesians 2:11-13)​

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[posthuman]

What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about — but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”​

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Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:​

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“Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”​

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Is this blessedness only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. And he is then also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also follow in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.​

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It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who depend on the law are heirs, faith means nothing and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.​

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Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring — not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.

(Romans 4:1-16)​

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[posthuman]

But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it.​

(Exodus 12:48)​

let the one who is hungry come, buy bread without price

Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands -- remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. ​

(Ephesians 2:11-13)​

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Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch -- as you really are. ​

For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.​

(1 Corinthians 5:7)​

He brought us near to Himself by His own blood - where formerly one could only come near through physical circumcision.
circumcision is a picture of Christ.

circumcision was a commandment by God of a physical requirement to a certain people to be observed on an appointed day: the 8th

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.​

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.​

(Galatians 6:15-16)​

 

[Blik]

Physical circumcision was God's command. God commanded that the innocent blood of animals be shed for atonement. All these things were ordered to lead the people to spiritual maturity. It wasn't the physical part of these commandments that were important to God, it was what they led to.

Circumcism set them apart for God, diet laws kept them apart from idol worshipers as all gentiles were at that time, and so forth.

It is scripture that we are now to be able to set ourselves apart, to control our thoughts so they are not of evil, to let the Holy Spirit guide us.

Rom 15:8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
Rom 15:9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.

The gentiles reacted by say Oh Boy, I can be a Christian and do absolutely nothing. Paul says those rituals mean nothing. Paul speaks of being free of sin as we repent and are forgiven, of being free of any restrictive things we are to do. Paul was speaking of freedom from sin. Paul spoke of freedom from anything relating to dates, Paul was speaking of the pagan celebrations of the seasons. So most of worship was tossed out.
Most Christians don 't even know anything about what the rituals were given for, what the Holy Spirit is to lead us to follow.

The feasts are an example of the Christian accepting a secular life not led by God. They show the way of God to our salvation and are to be honored.

 

[posthuman]

Paul spoke of freedom from anything relating to dates, Paul was speaking of the pagan celebrations of the seasons.

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Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: ​

(Colossians 2:16) ​

'holyday' here is the same word used in Greek to describe any of the 7 feasts given to Israel.
the new moon festival is commanded by God in the Law.
sabbath(s) is/are commanded by God in the Law.

this does not support being interpreted to mean pagan festivals ((pagans have no 'sabbath')); it is about the appointed days in the Law.

similarly in re: Galatians 4:10 ((you are observing days!)) the epistle is definitely not reprimanding believers about pagan practices or extra-scriptural talmudic tradition. the believers in Galatia were clearly being persuaded about the Law given through Moses.

 

[Dan_473]

Physical circumcision was God's command. God commanded that the innocent blood of animals be shed for atonement. All these things were ordered to lead the people to spiritual maturity. It wasn't the physical part of these commandments that were important to God, it was what they led to.

Circumcism set them apart for God, diet laws kept them apart from idol worshipers as all gentiles were at that time, and so forth.

It is scripture that we are now to be able to set ourselves apart, to control our thoughts so they are not of evil, to let the Holy Spirit guide us.

Rom 15:8 For I say that Christ hath been made a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, that he might confirm the promises given unto the fathers,
Rom 15:9 and that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, Therefore will I give praise unto thee among the Gentiles, And sing unto thy name.

The gentiles reacted by say Oh Boy, I can be a Christian and do absolutely nothing. Paul says those rituals mean nothing. Paul speaks of being free of sin as we repent and are forgiven, of being free of any restrictive things we are to do. Paul was speaking of freedom from sin. Paul spoke of freedom from anything relating to dates, Paul was speaking of the pagan celebrations of the seasons. So most of worship was tossed out.
Most Christians don 't even know anything about what the rituals were given for, what the Holy Spirit is to lead us to follow.

The feasts are an example of the Christian accepting a secular life not led by God. They show the way of God to our salvation and are to be honored.

Three times a year all your men must appear before the Lord your God at the place he will choose: at the Festival of Unleavened Bread,the Festival of Weeks and the Festival of Tabernacles. No one should appear before the Lordempty-handed: 17 Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the Lord your God has blessed you.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+16&version=NIV

 

[Studyman]

="posthuman, post: 3633796, member: 170505"]Here you go, dude:

Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.
Galatians 6:15
For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

Was Abraham a new creation in Christ? Was he given the promise before Circumcision or after? Did the Physical Circumcision play a part in the obedience Abraham showed towards his God?

Of course, as is your custom, you only ask questions, you never answer them.

Rom. 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. (If Abraham were your father, you would do the works of Abraham)


But you aren't really interested in the truth about Circumcision. You are trying to use these scriptures to justify your religion.

Now if the physical commandment of God ((Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Leviticus 12 etc)) which supercedes the physical sabbath commandments ((John 7)) is nothing in the richness of Christ compared with faith working through love in us as new creations by the wonder of His gracious work ---- what does that imply about the physical observation of a day?

God created and Sanctified His Holy Sabbath long before Abraham. And Abraham had God's Laws long before Moses. These are simply Biblical Facts. You may not believe them, but as it is written "Your unbelief doesn't make the Word of God Void"

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He brought us near to Himself by His own blood - where formerly one could only come near through physical circumcision.
circumcision is a picture of Christ.

the Bible shows that Abraham was obeying God (The Word which became Flesh) and received the promise from God before he was Circumcised. In other word's Abraham had already drawn near to the Christ before Circumcision. This truth was always in the Bible, Paul and the Pharisees just couldn't see it. And neither can you it seems.

"Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked." Abraham did this first. It's in your Bible.

And the physical circumcision was an outward sign of his repentance after he repented, not before.

circumcision was a commandment by God of a physical requirement to a certain people to be observed on an appointed day: the 8th

For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.​

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.​

(Galatians 6:15-16)​

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Circumcision was the sign of a "new creature", those who Circumcised the foreskins of their heart. Those who crucified the old man and became a new man, like Abraham did. Those who picked up their Cross, denied themselves (the foreskins of their heart)and Followed the Word which became Flesh, as did Abraham.

Eph. 4:
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, (Circumcised of the heart) which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

This was always the teaching Post. This was always what the examples written for our admonition was about. It was never about physical circumcision.

 

[Studyman]

you do not know whether i keep sabbath or not, and slanderously impugning my character has nothing to do with the wonderful picture of Jesus displayed in {Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Leviticus 12, Ezekiel 44, John 7, Acts 15, 1 Corinthians 7, Galatians 5-6 et al.}

do you accept that physical circumcision was commanded by God or do you deny it?

I read your posts sir. I know you preach Jesus taught different as a man than He did as the Word. This is not true. "A little Leaven leavens the whole lump". If you believe this lie is the truth then this means you also believe the truth is a lie.

Now if the physical commandment of God ((Genesis 17, Exodus 4, Leviticus 12 etc)) which supercedes the physical sabbath commandments ((John 7)) is nothing in the richness of Christ compared with faith working through love in us as new creations by the wonder of His gracious work ---- what does that imply about the physical observation of a day?

It is always about justifying your religious tradition regarding the Sabbath. If it was about a Biblical discussion then you would at least attempt to address my questions.

In the EXAMPLES God had written for our admonition, so we would learn not to lust after the same disobedience natural man has lusted after since the beginning, yes. God commanded a certain Tribe to perform Ceremonial Sacrificial "Works of the Law" for the atonement of sin and commanded to cut off foreskins of those who attached themselves to God.

 

[Studyman]

But if a stranger sojourns with you, and celebrates the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near to celebrate it; and he shall be like a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person may eat of it.​

(Exodus 12:48)​

let the one who is hungry come, buy bread without price

Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called "Uncircumcision" by the so-called "Circumcision," which is performed in the flesh by human hands -- remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. ​

(Ephesians 2:11-13)​

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Circumcision is still a reqirement Post

 

[Studyman]

Circumcision is still a reqirement Post

Stupid edit rules.

Matt. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matt. 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, (Circumcise the foreskins of their heart) and take up his cross, and follow me.

Circumcision, in the way it was Spiritually intended, is still a requirement Post. "But no uncircumcised person may eat of it."

 

[posthuman]

Do you confess that physical circumcision was commanded by God and no longer is, yes or no?

 

[posthuman]

Circumcision, in the way it was Spiritually intended, is still a requirement

Circumcision was given physically before it was ever mentioned metaphorically / spiritually.

Are the feasts, festivals and sabbaths spiritually intended also or is there duplicity?