Not By Works

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

Obedience and disobedience

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

Believe = Obey

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:9-17

again

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19

You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. James 2:24

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NoNameMcgee · Jun 21, 2018

romans 4

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

praise God!

man the scriptures cut right through these lies and false gospels like butter every time

people can try to twist the word
(usually so blind they actually believe they are correct)

but for those with eyes to see....
the errors are very easy to notice

MarkWilliams · Jun 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

So you don't believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you trust in your works for your salvation. Good luck

NoNameMcgee · Jun 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

swing-and-a-misssssss

lol first of all

4100. pisteuó ►
Strong's Concordance
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.

and you think the demons have confidence is Jesus as their Lord and savior?

i bet His promises are not to them...

i bet they just have a mental understanding He is who he says....

just like the pretend believers

belief of Him is not faith in Him

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

MarkWilliams said:

I believe the Gospel, therefore I obey the Gospel, which is to repent.

Repent means to turn to God.

This is the Gospel.

If you are called to turn to God, then that means you are called to turn away from Satan as your lord and master.

The action of obedience to the Gospel command repent, is to confess Jesus as your Lord.

You Lord is the one you obey.

“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46

Those who "believe" the Gospel, but still obey Satan and sin and unrighteousness, will not be saved on the Day of Judgement.

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

God who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath Romans 2:6-8

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mailmandan · Jun 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

Believe = Believe and obedience which follows is works, yet you make NO distinction and that's how you ended up with salvation by faith PLUS WORKS.

From this verse, we can see that we obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 1:16 - The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. *The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

In James 2:24, James is not using the word "justified" here to mean "accounted as righteous" but is "shown to be righteous." James is discussing the proof/evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3). Works bear out the justification that already came by faith.

In the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, the Greek word for justified "dikaioo" #1344 is:

1. to render righteous or such he ought to be
2. to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered
3. to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

In Matthew 12:37, we read - "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned." This is because our words (and our works) reveal the condition of our hearts. Words/works will appear to be evidences for, or against a man's being in a state of righteousness.

God is said to have been justified by those who were baptized by John the Baptist (Luke 7:29). This act pronounced or declared God to be righteous. It did not make him righteous. The basis or ground for the pronouncement was the fact that God IS righteous. Notice that the NIV reads, "acknowledged that God's way was right.." The ESV reads, "they declared God just.." This is the sense in which God was justified, "shown to be righteous".

Matthew 11:19 "The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax-gatherers and sinners!' Yet wisdom is justified/vindicated/shown to be right by her deeds."

*Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is vindicated, substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-24).

*Christ saves us through faith based on the merits of His finished work of redemption "alone" and not based on the merits of our works.

*It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony*

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

I'll bet you just disregard what the scripture says, and what these principles of faith, righteousness and love mean, as well as how they operate.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:3-5

But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him.

How can you say you love God and steal from your neighbor?

How can you say you love God and lie to your neighbor?

How can you say you love God and covet your neighbors wife?

How can you say you love God and worship idols?

How can you say you love God and commit adultery?

4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

JPT

NoNameMcgee · Jun 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

3340. metanoeó ►

Strong's Concordance

metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

repent from unbelief

then
3340. metanoeó ►

Strong's Concordance

metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

hebrews 12

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

after we repent and believe (<- are saved and kept by His power and imputed with the righteousness of Jesus) instead of living in unbelief

He makes us new

adopts us

and works a greater repentance in us until the day of Christ

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Exactly.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:3-5

But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him.

How can you say you love God and steal from your neighbor?

How can you say you love God and lie to your neighbor?

How can you say you love God and covet your neighbors wife?

How can you say you love God and worship idols?

How can you say you love God and commit adultery?

4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

JPT

NoNameMcgee · Jun 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

john 6

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins

16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’

19 “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20

that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance.

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justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

NoNameMcgee said:

Yes. Here are those who He will raise to the resurrection of life: Context!!!

all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life

28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29

those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

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eternally-gratefull · Jun 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

Believe = Obey

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:

“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” 17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:9-17

again

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19

You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. James 2:24

JPT

The demons believe in god, yet did not obey, you just destroyed your own argument

50C1AL0N3 · Jun 21, 2018

MarkWilliams said:

The sword was symbolic of a dividing object, like slashing something into two parts.

Well we can see that he did manage to divide the world into two parts, just as He said He would.

He has divided the world into Christians and non Christians, all of the non believers are in the same boat. Catholic's, Atheists, Muslims, Hindus and every other group are in the same boat and the Christians are in the other. So there are only two groups of people in the world, those who are going to heaven and those who are going to hell.

Christ came to bring division into the world, to set family members against each other. He never came to bring peace and unity, that's the Catholic and Islamic Jesus

Amazing how Christ called it that He would even divide the home and family. That's an awfully large assumption to be predicting huh?

50C1AL0N3 · Jun 21, 2018

VCO said:

Absolutely. I don't pray and pretend I want forgiveness until I am compelled to do so. Heck, sometimes I am so ticked off that I don't even mind passing over a few sins rather than give God lip service.

50C1AL0N3 · Jun 21, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

justpassinthrough said:

Man oh man, thank the Lord the Bible isn't literal slot of the time. No wonder legalism attached itself so inseperablly to the truth when you read things like that above. Heck, you'd think you may be damned to hell and an enemy of God to go to the movies or something.
I do know that I do not keep his commandments all the time. I know I enjoy the things of the world sometimes, and I know that even though I do the things I shouldn't, it does not affect my salvation. Nothing will.
I came to give you life, and life more abundantly. You grieve the Spirit you hinder abundance.
I tell you these things so that my peace and joy will remain with you.
You no listen, you no. Have peace and joy. But you always have salvation.

50C1AL0N3 · Jun 21, 2018

justpassinthrough said:

Paul was addressing his kinsman here in Romans chapters 9-10. He was trickling new wine into old wineskin, and easing the pressure with much old testament reference.
Israel is already saved. When the fullness of the gentiles comes, Israel will be redeemed. Paul is simply explaining to his people that 1) Salvation is now spread out to the gentiles, and that it doesn't matter what nationality you are, you can be saved. And 2) that redemption does not come by the keeping of the law anymore, but by simply believing in your heart and confessing your faith in Christ that is what is necessary for salvation instead of the law.
Paul was by no means insinuating that you could be saved by doing these two things, but that they are the only way to salvation.
Only God can give you true saving faith in your heart through the Holy Spirit. The confession with the mouth is not a mere statement of necessity but a confession that the spirit of God is compelling you to proclaim.
I can't stand the world conjured a"sinner's prayer" outta that!

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

50C1AL0N3 said:

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar,

3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 1 John 2:3-5

But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him.

How can you say you love God and steal from your neighbor?

How can you say you love God and lie to your neighbor?

How can you say you love God and covet your neighbors wife?

How can you say you love God and worship idols?

How can you say you love God and commit adultery?

4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.

JPT

justpassinthrough · Jun 21, 2018

50C1AL0N3 said:

Here is who Paul wrote the letter to the Romans and addressed:

Paul, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated to the gospel of God 2 which He promised before through His prophets in the Holy Scriptures, 3 concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 and declared to be the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead. 5 Through Him we have received grace and apostleship for obedience to the faith among all nations for His name, 6 among whom you also are the called of Jesus Christ;

7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Romans 1:1-7

and again

but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God.

5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. Romans 2:5-11

eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality;

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