What is the Gospel?

[7seasrekeyed]

The only way we are saved is by obedience.

• taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:9


Do you understand what the command of the Gospel is?


Do you understand what activates faith, so that it functions [is alive; active] and is able to produce the intended divine result?


Here is a hint:

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26

• the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

JPT

no, nope and uh uh

that's alotta verses but you have put emphasis on them to reach your personal interpretation

ONLY the blood of Christ saves us. Jesus dying in our place, when we accept Him as our Savior

obedience along with a plethora of other things, comes AFTERWARDS

how would someone be saved through obedience when not a soul on this earth as ever obeyed to reconstruct the holiness of God?

didn't work with the Israelites and does not work with us

actually, it is the obedience of Christ to be willing to die in our place, that is the obedience that saves

 

[justpassinthrough]

no, nope and uh uh

that's alotta verses but you have put emphasis on them to reach your personal interpretation

ONLY the blood of Christ saves us. Jesus dying in our place, when we accept Him as our Savior

obedience along with a plethora of other things, comes AFTERWARDS

how would someone be saved through obedience when not a soul on this earth as ever obeyed to reconstruct the holiness of God?

didn't work with the Israelites and does not work with us

actually, it is the obedience of Christ to be willing to die in our place, that is the obedience that saves

Here is one verse.




The only way we are saved is by obedience.

• taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:6



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[fredoheaven]

Ok Let me rephrase the What is the Gospel according to jesus christ. You gave pauls definition

Luke 4:18

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Here is one verse.




The only way we are saved is by obedience.

• taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:6



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how were YOU savd?

did you obey the gospel which you cannot do unless you are saved first?

you are not only putting the cart before the horse, but you setting the horse free and letting run down the road

I honestly do not understand how a person can possibly come to the conclusion that obedience is what saves you

how did that work for the Israelites?

you are basically stating that YOUR OWN obedience is what saves you

do you know why Jesus died? why did He die at all if you can save yourself thorugh your own obedience?

I'm not holding my breath here

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Luke 4:18

have you read the thread?

do you see what he has done from his first post to his last?

he is saying Paul has a different gospel

then he will say they are the same

no one should entertain this nonsense

 

[justpassinthrough]

did you obey the gospel which you cannot do unless you are saved first?

Please share the scripture that says a person must be saved first, in order to obey the Gospel.




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[7seasrekeyed]

Please share the scripture that says a person must be saved first, in order to obey the Gospel.




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now why did I suspect this?

a scripture?

dude...the entire NT save Revelation is ALL about just that

Jesus said to Nicodemus...you must be born again

what do you suppose Jesus meant by that? I am offering this from the gospels...even before His death and resurrection, Jesus preached the gospel

there is no obedience without salvation. otherwise, you are 'working' to be saved and that is not possible

 

[justpassinthrough]

now why did I suspect this?

a scripture?

dude...the entire NT save Revelation is ALL about just that

Jesus said to Nicodemus...you must be born again

what do you suppose Jesus meant by that? I am offering this from the gospels...even before His death and resurrection, Jesus preached the gospel

there is no obedience without salvation. otherwise, you are 'working' to be saved and that is not possible

I disagree.

You must obey the Gospel in order to be saved; born again, regenerated.

The way we are transferred from the domain or power of darkness, that is ruled by Satan, is to repent.

Repent means turn to God.

Which means we turn away from Satan as our lord.

The way we demonstrate our obedience, that we have repented, is to confess Jesus as Lord.


This is what grants us the forgiveness of sins.


to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins



16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles,to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ 19 “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20

• that they should repent, turn to God,

That is the Gospel.



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[kingofkings]

Hebrews 10:26 New Living Translation (NLT)
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

I disagree.

You must obey the Gospel in order to be saved; born again, regenerated.

The way we are transferred from the domain or power of darkness, that is ruled by Satan, is to repent.

Repent means turn to God.

Which means we turn away from Satan as our lord.

The way we demonstrate our obedience, that we have repented, is to confess Jesus as Lord.


This is what grants us the forgiveness of sins.


to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins



16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles,to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ 19 “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20

• that they should repent, turn to God,

That is the Gospel.



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Hebrews 10:26 New Living Translation (NLT)
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning (disobey the gospel-letters in red) after we have received knowledge of the truth/kindgdom, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I disagree.

You must obey the Gospel in order to be saved; born again, regenerated.

The way we are transferred from the domain or power of darkness, that is ruled by Satan, is to repent.

Repent means turn to God.

Which means we turn away from Satan as our lord.

The way we demonstrate our obedience, that we have repented, is to confess Jesus as Lord.


This is what grants us the forgiveness of sins.


to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins



16 But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. 17 I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles,to whom I now send you, 18 to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God,that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’ 19 “Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, 20 but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:16-20

• that they should repent, turn to God,

That is the Gospel.



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if salvation were obedience first, this would contradict Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

the good works come AFTER salvation. we are not created in Jesus UNTIL we have accepted Him as our Savior...until we believe in His atoning blood and His sacrifice on our behalf

you have it the opposite way and scripture does not agree with you

and I know you disagree but you are disagreeing with the Bible as it is the Holy Spirit who gives us the change of heart in order to be able to obey

I never once said obedience is not a part of salvation ...however you state you must obey first because you are confusing obedience and faith

works...because obedience before salvation would be a self effort, do not save you

this from you:

Please share the scripture that says a person must be saved first, in order to obey the Gospel.

illustrates that you appear not to understand what salvation is or that we cannot earn it or keep it by being 'good'

it's round and round the mulberry bush with you and you are free to read my previous responses if you still want to insist that salvation comes after obedience. I know why you are saying that, but your heart is not changed until you accept Christ

 

[mailmandan]

The only way we are saved is by obedience.

We are saved when we believe the gospel (Romans 1:16; Ephesians 1:13).

taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:9

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To “believe” the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. The Gospel is a message of grace to be received through faith. The Gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

Do you understand what the command of the Gospel is?

It's not salvation by works.

Do you understand what activates faith, so that it functions [is alive; active] and is able to produce the intended divine result?

In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that works are the source of life in faith. That's like saying a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree and the fruit is the source of life in the tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works is dead. If someone says-claims he has faith but lacks resulting evidential works, then he has an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. Believers are made alive together with Christ by grace through faith, then UNTO good works (Ephesians 2:5-10).

Here is a hint:

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26

the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

You continue to misinterpret these passages of scripture and teach salvation by works. The obedience of faith does not mean that we are saved by faith + obedience/works which follow faith and is produced "out of" faith.

As I previously explained to you before, although Paul can speak of people’s initial response of choosing to believe the gospel as an act of obedience, in which he describes it as "obeying the gospel" (Romans 10:16; 1:16), the purpose of Paul’s apostleship was not merely to bring people to conversion but also to bring about transformed lives that were obedient to God.

*Notice that Paul said they HAVE (already) received grace and apostleship FOR/UNTO obedience to the faith. Just as in Ephesians 2:10, Paul said that we are created in Christ Jesus FOR/UNTO good works. We are clearly saved FOR good works, NOT BY good works (Ephesians 2:8-10). Paul did not say that they did not receive grace and apostleship until they produced obedience afterwards.

*We have access by faith into grace.. Romans 5:2 not faith "and obedience/works." We are saved through faith in Christ first, then "unto" obedience/works.




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[mailmandan]

Hebrews 10:26 New Living Translation (NLT)
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

Hebrews 10:26 New Living Translation (NLT)
26 Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning (disobey the gospel-letters in red) after we have received knowledge of the truth/kindgdom, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.

In Hebrews 10:26, to "sin willfully" in the Greek carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is CONTINUOUS ACTION - A MATTER OF PRACTICE.

Now we don't walk along our daily life and accidently fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION.

The unrighteous practice sin - (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21) not the righteous, who are born of God - (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9).

 

[oldethennew]

'nut shell definition'

(gospel of The Kingdom)...

 

[justpassinthrough]

now why did I suspect this?

a scripture?

dude...the entire NT save Revelation is ALL about just that

Jesus said to Nicodemus...you must be born again

what do you suppose Jesus meant by that? I am offering this from the gospels...even before His death and resurrection, Jesus preached the gospel

there is no obedience without salvation. otherwise, you are 'working' to be saved and that is not possible

if salvation were obedience first, this would contradict Ephesians 2:8-9

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

the good works come AFTER salvation. we are not created in Jesus UNTIL we have accepted Him as our Savior...until we believe in His atoning blood and His sacrifice on our behalf

you have it the opposite way and scripture does not agree with you

and I know you disagree but you are disagreeing with the Bible as it is the Holy Spirit who gives us the change of heart in order to be able to obey

I never once said obedience is not a part of salvation ...however you state you must obey first because you are confusing obedience and faith

works...because obedience before salvation would be a self effort, do not save you

this from you:



illustrates that you appear not to understand what salvation is or that we cannot earn it or keep it by being 'good'

it's round and round the mulberry bush with you and you are free to read my previous responses if you still want to insist that salvation comes after obedience. I know why you are saying that, but your heart is not changed until you accept Christ

It’s very simple.

Saved by grace through faith means you obeyed the Gospel.


Do you understand how faith is activated?


Whenever we see the phrase “by faith” it means God spoke and someone obeyed.

Please read Hebrews 11 so we can discuss the law of faith and how faith operates.



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[OstrichSmiling]

Ok Let me rephrase the What is the Gospel according to jesus christ. You gave pauls definition

Hi, resident newbie here.
How would you know the differences between what you call Paul's definition of the Gospel and that of Jesus Christ to make such an observation? While asking the question, what is the Gospel according to Jesus Christ?

 

[Embankment]

Hi, resident newbie here.
How would you know the differences between what you call Paul's definition of the Gospel and that of Jesus Christ to make such an observation? While asking the question, what is the Gospel according to Jesus Christ?

That's the catch. There is no Gospel told by Jesus. The Gospel by definition is the death and rise of Jesus and what that means. Jesus foretold of his passing but that is not the Gospel.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

you are not only putting the cart before the horse, but you setting the horse free and letting run down the road

Oh my gosh you have made me erupt in peals and peals of laughter!
I like to laugh.

I don't like it when the humor is arrogant though. That doesn't make me laugh.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

That's the catch. There is no Gospel told by Jesus. The Gospel by definition is the death and rise of Jesus and what that means. Jesus foretold of his passing but that is not the Gospel.

Are you sure?

New Living Translation
"The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, for he has anointed me to bring Good News to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim that captives will be released, that the blind will see, that the oppressed will be set free,

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Oh man, everytime I read that verse I just start bawling...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

so what I have learned in this thread so far

1. you cannot define the gospel of Jesus because it does not exist

2. Jesus had a different gospel than Paul

3. Jesus and Paul had the same gosepl

4. you obey the gospel prior to believing it

5. rephrase and rephrase again if anyone suspects you do not know what you are trying to teach others

6. slam verses together much like tectonic plates creating an earthquake resulting in a Tsunami to illustrate you have command of the entire Bible

and quite possibly my favorite......

7.
Please share the scripture that says a person must be saved first, in order to obey the Gospel.


you can't make this up. however, I cannot find the translation that sports these 'facts' as the headlining items they are

opens window for fresh air