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Jeremiah74
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I think the problem comes down to the Doctrine of dispinsationalism. That was then and this is now kind of thing.
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That is the problem CHRISTIANS are having, they think they are already there....when in fact all they have taken to themselves is the NAME of Christ...NOTHING more....and that alone won't cut it ! THEY are NOT YET DOERS....they DON'T DO what Jesus says Lk 6v46, in fact they refuse to walk with Him and calling those few who do JUDAIZERS. How disgusting of them !!!
what is disgusting is you and others blaspheme the Lord Jesus, who said on the Cross " it is finished " , His hand - picked man to deliver the Gospel to the gentiles, Paul, who says over and over " not by works, not under the Law " by saying the OPPOSITE of this.
sickening lies.
and you had the nerve to say all of Paul's word are not authoritative Scripture. you ma'am need to repent. and the 74 guy. and needs to studyman.
you just admitted it. Paul is very clear- not by works , not under the law, saved by grace. all of that means exactly what is seems to.
but, it does not fit with your religion , so, it is " not clear ' to you.
and, Paul does not ever say " keep the Sabbath ". that is clear, is it not?
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Jeremiah74
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If we keep reading Yeshua(Jesus) explains what he is saying. We can't just pick out part of something and put our own meaning behind it.
John 3:17-20
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.
The scriptures define Evil as lawlessness.
So if we are born of the flesh we will do the works of the flesh.
And Paul makes it clear that our flesh does Not want to obey God.
But if we are born of the spirit we do the works of God
John 1:1-4
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Yeshua(Jesus) is the Way,Truth,Life
The Word(Torah) is truth
The Word(Torah) is the Way
The Word(Torah) is Life
There is no way to the Father except through him
I say Word is Torah because what word would he be talking about?
The New Testament did not exsist when he said this.
Did Paul convince the Jews that Yeshua(Jesus) was messiah because of a letter he wrote last week?
NO he used the Torah and Profits.
To be honest I am losing track of your waffle...but what I do understand is that Paul himself kept the Sabbath, he did not have to state it ! what do you mean 'not clear to me ? scripture says he was hard to understand and that goes for everybody, even you pretending he is easy.
Why do you think he was executed ? because he did not fit in with the christian sunday belief....as were also all the oiriginal Apostles of Jesus[Yashua.
I really hope I am not seeing where you think Paul was executed because of sunday worship.
Paul and all the others were executed because they would not stop proclaiming Jesus as Lord.
the same thing I say, but since you think we have to be jewish to be saved, you set yourself in the same stance as those who opposed Paul and the others. they thought one had to be a jew and keep the Law to be right with God. I say no. Paul said no. you and others oppose that.
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Jeremiah74
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this elevates and separates the Words Of Christ over the O.T.
How does Him saying he is well pleased elevate or seperate?
Your adding words that are NOT there..
John 14:28
You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
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19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
In my understanding, and a few others on this forum, of the Bible, every scripture contains every other scripture in it. There is no contradiction. His Word flows together like a flowing river.
I won't be drawn into posting one verse to destroy or discredit another as is your custom and the custom of many. I believe the Bible interprets itself, not by placing or impressing man's tradition or thoughts on a scripture, but by comparing God's Word with God's Word so as to seek His Righteousness, not justify our own.
Otherwise you get Babylon, confusion, which in my understanding is the goal of the serpent.
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Which to be sure, God did say.
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But God also said other things which more clearly defines His intent.
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Don't be tricked by the serpent Dan.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
In my understanding, and a few others on this forum, of the Bible, every scripture contains every other scripture in it. There is no contradiction. His Word flows together like a flowing river.
I won't be drawn into posting one verse to destroy or discredit another as is your custom and the custom of many. I believe the Bible interprets itself, not by placing or impressing man's tradition or thoughts on a scripture, but by comparing God's Word with God's Word so as to seek His Righteousness, not justify our own.
Otherwise you get Babylon, confusion, which in my understanding is the goal of the serpent.
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Which to be sure, God did say.
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But God also said other things which more clearly defines His intent.
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Don't be tricked by the serpent Dan.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
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Jeremiah74
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Bible verses for: Jesus Christ, Revealing the Father
- John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
- John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
- John 14:6-10
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
- Matthew 11:27
All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
- Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
- John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
- John 17:25-26
O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
- Hebrews 1:2-3
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
- 1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
- Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, "I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.
- John 5:37
And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
- Philippians 2:6-7
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
- Revelation 3:12
He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
- Matthew 1:23
"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."
- John 5:30
I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
- John 8:28-29
Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and thatI do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things. And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."
- John 17:4-6
I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. "I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
- John 17:20-23
"I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
- 1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
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Jeremiah74
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Dispensationalism: (Israel and the "Church" are separate entities) “Dispensationalism is a theological system that teaches that biblical history is best understood in light of a number of successive administrations of God's dealings with mankind, which it calls ‘dispensations.’ It maintains fundamental distinctions between God's plans for national Israel and for the New Testament Church and emphasizes prophecy of an end-times and a pre-tribulation rapture of the church prior to Christ's Second Coming. Its beginnings are usually associated with the Plymouth Brethren movement in the UK and the teachings of John Nelson Darby.” (www.theopedia.com)
God the Father said hear Him. in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ).
they key is hear Him.
so, I am discussing Scripture. you are selectively editing Scripture.
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