Speaking in tongues
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No it isn't.
The manifestation of interpretation of tongues is when the person who speaks in tongues gives the interpretation. There was no manifestation of interpretation on the day of Pentecost. The languages the apostles were speaking were the actual languages of other people present.
The manifestation of interpretation of tongues is when the person who speaks in tongues gives the interpretation. There was no manifestation of interpretation on the day of Pentecost. The languages the apostles were speaking were the actual languages of other people present.
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Discussions such as this are amazing.
Unless the person claiming to speak in "tongues" can show a reason to believe their utterances are more then simple babble, there is little reason to invoke scripture into the debate. IOW, prove a supernatural event even happened before debating if the event is of God.
Unless the person claiming to speak in "tongues" can show a reason to believe their utterances are more then simple babble, there is little reason to invoke scripture into the debate. IOW, prove a supernatural event even happened before debating if the event is of God.
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Roger chooses not to believe this:
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Or rather, he explains it away by claiming that tongues and prophesy ceased.
Poof! Off the hook.
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Or rather, he explains it away by claiming that tongues and prophesy ceased.
Poof! Off the hook.
Do you really believe that the gift of tongues after Acts 2 was any different? There is absolutely no reason or evidence to believe that. Indeed Paul makes it clear in 1 Cor 14 that tongues are a sign for unbelieving Jews, just as they were a sign on the day of Pentecost that God was behind the Gospel.
What is Paul saying here in modern parlance?
"Christians, I would be delighted if you all spoke in tongues (which is really not feasible, since not all will speak in tongues, as I have already told you).
However, if you all prophesied, it would be FAR BETTER. In fact the one who prophesies would be deemed 'greater' (since the gift of prophesy is greater than the gift of tongues).
At the same time, if you do speak in tongues in the assembly, please make sure that you interpret what you have said. Since that is the only way that all the gathered Christians will benefit".
"Christians, I would be delighted if you all spoke in tongues (which is really not feasible, since not all will speak in tongues, as I have already told you).
However, if you all prophesied, it would be FAR BETTER. In fact the one who prophesies would be deemed 'greater' (since the gift of prophesy is greater than the gift of tongues).
At the same time, if you do speak in tongues in the assembly, please make sure that you interpret what you have said. Since that is the only way that all the gathered Christians will benefit".
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Actually, he is saying "Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. " And elsewhere, he says:
Eph 6:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
There is no such thing as "the gift of prophesy" or the "gift of tongues". Both are manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. And the manifestation of prophesy is "better" "except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. "
Read the whole verse, Nehemiah...
Right!
He cannot possibly be saying that, since Paul already said: Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? Which means "all DO NOT speak with tongues".
Well the Bible refutes that quite easily, since manifestations = gifts.
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant...
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit...
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
Well the Bible refutes that quite easily, since manifestations = gifts.
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant...
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit...
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
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Wrong
they spoke in tongues - 120 people all at the same time
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them
speak in his own language. Acts 2:6
This is the miraculous gift of interpretation and again right from the beginning a sign of what was to come -
diversities of tongues, interpretations, prophecies.
they spoke in tongues - 120 people all at the same time
Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them
speak in his own language. Acts 2:6
This is the miraculous gift of interpretation and again right from the beginning a sign of what was to come -
diversities of tongues, interpretations, prophecies.
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While it's true that not all do speak in tongues, that does not change the meaning of verse 5: "Now I want you all to speak in tongues".
And remember, the overall context is in meetings. In meetings, not everyone does prophesy, speak in tongues and interpret, etc.
That's not true. Check any dictionary.
Note that the word "gifts" is in italics. It was added. The word is "pneumatikos", and it means spiritual things, or spiritual matters.
That's right, there are diversities of gifts. But what does verse 7 say?
1 Cor 12:
7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
There are diversities of gifts, differences of administrations, diversities of operations, but the manifestation of the spirit is given to EVERY man (Christian).
Again, the overall context is meetings. Different people do different things. If each person could operate only one manifestation, then Paul contradicts himself in 1 Cor 14, where he says the person who speaks in tongues is to be the one to interpret. And he is also to covet to prophesy.
I believe it was 12. The gift of the HS was initially given to the 12 apostles. But it's not worth forming a new denomination over... 
I do agree they were all speaking in tongues at the same time.
Please read 1 Cor 14. It says that when a person speaks in tongues in public, he is to interpret. The others present on the day of Pentecost understanding the languages the apostles were speaking is not the manifestation of interpretation of tongues. Interpretation of tongues is when a Christian speaks in tongues, then speaks the interpretation. That did not happen on the day of Pentecost.
I do agree they were all speaking in tongues at the same time.
Please read 1 Cor 14. It says that when a person speaks in tongues in public, he is to interpret. The others present on the day of Pentecost understanding the languages the apostles were speaking is not the manifestation of interpretation of tongues. Interpretation of tongues is when a Christian speaks in tongues, then speaks the interpretation. That did not happen on the day of Pentecost.
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