Are Roman Catholics Christians

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It depends on the Catholic in question. I believe that there are many who are Christians but include dodgy teachings in their beliefs
there are others who believe they are Christians because they were born into a Catholic family and attend Mass on a regular basis.
There are people who are not Catholics bur also follow dubious versions of Christianity including people on this site.

I have recently had a conversation with a Vicar in my local Church of England congregation. I mentioned that I was not a member of her Church believing in the apparently old fashioned belief that you really need to be Christened and confirmed to be a member. Her reply was as I lived in her Parish I was a member of her Church! So from that I assume that I could be a die hard Atheist or even a Satanist but as long as I live in her Parish she would still offer me communion.

I do not frequent her particular church on a regular basis and she has now retired. I wait with bated breath to hear her replacements views!
 
Ahwatukee

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MarkWilliams said:
Can a person be a devout Roman Catholic and be a faithful follower of Christ at the same time.

Most of my family, and relatives are Roman Catholics. They all claim to be Christians as well but they reject much of the Gospel. They only accept the parts where God showed His love to the world by sending His Son to be crucified to atone for the sins of the whole world.

They don't believe in being born again and giving your life to the Lord, they believe Mary is the mediator and Jesus provided the sacrifice for salvation.

Some have said that a Roman Catholic cannot be a christian so they're not saved. I find that hard to accept, of the 1.5 billion I'm sure that many will be saved but how can we identify the ones that are worth our time to witness to.

I have invested a lot of my time sharing the Gospel with them and I have seen no fruit at all. Where do I draw the line and say, enough of casting pearls before the swine.
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Hello Mark,

You are correct in that, there are those who belong to Christ within Mystery, Babylon the Great/Roman Catholicism who have been deceived by her and God is calling them to come out of her:

"Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues; for her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her crimes."
 
CS1

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notuptome said:
Actually no. One cannot be devoted to Roman Catholicism and a faithful follower of Jesus Christ.

God is jealous and will have no other before Him.

A Roman Catholic can be saved but after salvation the contradictions of Romanism will compel him or her to depart from the group.

One of the great signs of rebellion in Israel was their incorporation of the heathen gods into their religious beliefs. It led to their being carried away into captivity for judgment from God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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really what is a devoted Roman catholic ? and how is it that they cannnot be saved I would love to hear this one
 
notuptome

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CS1 said:
really what is a devoted Roman catholic ? and how is it that they cannnot be saved I would love to hear this one
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Do you ever read carefully? I did not say they could not be saved I only said that they have more allegiance to Rome than to Christ.

A devotee is a devotee no mater to what they are devoted. Devotion to anything less that Christ is wholly insufficient.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
Ahwatukee

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notuptome said:
Actually no. One cannot be devoted to Roman Catholicism and a faithful follower of Jesus Christ.

God is jealous and will have no other before Him.

A Roman Catholic can be saved but after salvation the contradictions of Romanism will compel him or her to depart from the group.

One of the great signs of rebellion in Israel was their incorporation of the heathen gods into their religious beliefs. It led to their being carried away into captivity for judgment from God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Hello notuptome,

We are talking about people who are truly seeking after Christ and who belong to him, who have been deceived by Roman Catholicism as being the church of Christ. Once God calls them out of her allowing them to recognize that she is an imposter, then they will no longer be following after the practices of Roman Catholicism.
 
CS1

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notuptome said:
Do you ever read carefully? I did not say they could not be saved I only said that they have more allegiance to Rome than to Christ.

A devotee is a devotee no mater to what they are devoted. Devotion to anything less that Christ is wholly insufficient.

For the cause of Christ
Roger[/QUOTE10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and [f]brimstone, where the beast and the false
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If that logic apply can a Jew still be a jew and saved ? Nothing was more allegiance to the Faith of the Jews and tradtion
 
calibob

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For many catholic is an identity like republican and they don't do it because they believe but are taught as children, if they don't or they rebel that they will go to hell. So they are afraid to try and learn any other way.
 
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calibob said:
For many catholic is an identity like republican and they don't do it because they believe but are taught as children, if they don't or they rebel that they will go to hell. So they are afraid to try and learn any other way.
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notuptome

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If that logic apply can a Jew still be a jew and saved ? Nothing was more allegiance to the Faith of the Jews and tradtion
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Well I guess it depends on how you view grace and the law.

A saved Jew or a saved Catholic must know the false nature of their religious institutions. One becomes saved by grace not through any religion.

Christ saves individuals not religious groups.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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OP said:
Are Roman Catholics Christians?
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There are Roman Catholics who are Christians, and there are Roman Catholics who aren't.
There are Baptists who are Christians, and there are Baptists who aren't.
There are Methodists who are Christians, and there are Methodists who aren't.
There are Pentecostals who are Christians, and there are Pentecostals who aren't.

Belonging to a denomination is not what makes a person a Christian. What makes a person a Christian is confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
 
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notuptome said:
Well I guess it depends on how you view grace and the law.

A saved Jew or a saved Catholic must know the false nature of their religious institutions. One becomes saved by grace not through any religion.

Christ saves individuals not religious groups.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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you mean Peter and Pual who were both saved did not have issue concerning the law and grace ? Are you saying noone in the cathloic church has an issue with it? Martin Luther did .
 
notuptome

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shrume said:
There are Roman Catholics who are Christians, and there are Roman Catholics who aren't.
There are Baptists who are Christians, and there are Baptists who aren't.
There are Methodists who are Christians, and there are Methodists who aren't.
There are Pentecostals who are Christians, and there are Pentecostals who aren't.

Belonging to a denomination is not what makes a person a Christian. What makes a person a Christian is confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
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True. It is the soteriology that is important not the name on the door.

I only hope many who profess do indeed possess. Believing all that the scriptures teach of and about Christ. Romans 10:9-10

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
notuptome

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you mean Peter and Pual who were both saved did not have issue concerning the law and grace ? Are you saying noone in the cathloic church has an issue with it? Martin Luther did .
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As I recall my history and correct me if I'm wrong the pope threw Martin Luther out of the Roman Catholic church. Those in authority in the Roman Catholic church have the issue with law and grace. They refuse to teach the truth. They choose to oppress the laity and deprive them of the gospel truth that can set them free. I find great parallel between the popes of Rome and the Pharisees in Israel.

It is in fact a problem to this day. Religion is power to those of a corrupt heart.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
preston39

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Latour said:
All churches have many foibles in either their beliefs or else their practices. No brand-name church follows the bible anyway. People follow traditions. Just because we don't all share the same errors doesn't mean we can judge others for it. If we judge...we will also be judged...because we are really not that different.
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L....,

To properly function as a Christian in this secular society today we must know the difference in...assessment.....and....judgment.
Judgment ....no.......assessment of the many Anti-Christ around us........Yes.
 
calibob

calibob

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Yes, many catholics have never heard a gospel, rather random verses picked out of context to twist the word into something it's not. We were taught unbaptized babies go to hell for keeps. They remain saved until they reach an age when they know better and to regain salvation they must confess to a priest do penance and receive communion if they should die somewhere in between Mary may interceed for them. May, not will. Many catholics cannot read or do not have access to an unmolested bible, in their language. Besides being taught not to question the church. And the Pope is the only human with access to the almighty.

Does God not have his own permission to make exceptions to his own rules? We were even taught to end all prayers with "All for Jesus through Mary." The catholics are more a religous nationality or race of people brainwashed from birth. They are not the blame. The Vatican is the government and the Pope is the dictator. GET IT?
 
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whatev said:
The Roman Catholic Church hadn't even been formed yet, so your current church is teaching you that. Not the Bible.
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Don't you believe bible prophesy, the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ told us about the future. It saw The Roman Catholic Church in the future, killing the saints of God so much that it was described as a Harlot who was drunk on the blood of saints. If anyone finds out the truth and remains in that Church, then they will be cast into the lake of fire with it.
 
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shrume said:
There are Roman Catholics who are Christians, and there are Roman Catholics who aren't.
There are Baptists who are Christians, and there are Baptists who aren't.
There are Methodists who are Christians, and there are Methodists who aren't.
There are Pentecostals who are Christians, and there are Pentecostals who aren't.

Belonging to a denomination is not what makes a person a Christian. What makes a person a Christian is confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead.
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To be a Christian means you are a follower of Christ. You can't follow Christ and at the same time follow an Antichrist.
If God opens your spiritual eyes you will quickly recognize false doctrine and you will come out of the false Church.
The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth, false teaching will be exposed by the light of the truth.
There is only one true Body of Christ and believers will come out of many false Churches to join the true Body of Christ. They will seek out a faithful Church where the Word of God is preached faithfully
 
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MarkWilliams said:
To be a Christian means you are a follower of Christ. You can't follow Christ and at the same time follow an Antichrist.
If God opens your spiritual eyes you will quickly recognize false doctrine and you will come out of the false Church.
The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth, false teaching will be exposed by the light of the truth.
There is only one true Body of Christ and believers will come out of many false Churches to join the true Body of Christ. They will seek out a faithful Church where the Word of God is preached faithfully
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There are Roman Catholics who are followers of Christ, and there are Roman Catholics who aren't.
There are Baptists who are followers of Christ, and there are Baptists who aren't.
There are Methodists who are followers of Christ, and there are Methodists who aren't.
There are Pentecostals who are followers of Christ, and there are Pentecostals who aren't.
 
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shrume said:
There are Roman Catholics who are followers of Christ, and there are Roman Catholics who aren't.
There are Baptists who are followers of Christ, and there are Baptists who aren't.
There are Methodists who are followers of Christ, and there are Methodists who aren't.
There are Pentecostals who are followers of Christ, and there are Pentecostals who aren't.
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I just exposed your comments as false and then you go and repeat them, strange guy
 
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