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I believe every word of it. At Pentecost they were speaking of the wondrous works of God in languages they themselves did not understand ... for the sake of those Jews from around the world that were present. The mystery of the gospel was revealed to them by people who had never learned their language by the power of the Holy Spirit. Let me ask you something. If Paul meant that these languages weren't to be understood, why would he instruct the church at Corinth to pray that they may interpret what was being said ? No mention of a heavenly language anywhere btw.
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I told you, you misrepresent Paul. Paul never prayed in a language He didn't understand and that's not what Paul says in 1 Cor 14:14. In the whole chapter, Paul is against speaking things that other people don't understand.
1 Cor 14:13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
In short, Paul is saying that instead of using meaningless words, use a language that other people understand and can respond to your thanks giving so that they can say amen - clearly showing that they agree with what you prayed for so that the promise of God of "where two or three agree on something..."
Paul doesn't encourage people to speak a foreign language/ He didn't do it himself.
A church where tongues are interpreted is an oxymoron. I told you i'm a grown man.
A church where tongues are interpreted should also have the dead being raised/ healing of deadly diseases like cancer and AIDS/ prophesy/ other miracles. For it is the same spirit that is well capable of doing and distributing all these things within a congregation. It is not possible that the spirit ceases in some and excels in only tongues- i know the reason tongues excel, they are the easiest to fake.
1 Cor 14:13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
In short, Paul is saying that instead of using meaningless words, use a language that other people understand and can respond to your thanks giving so that they can say amen - clearly showing that they agree with what you prayed for so that the promise of God of "where two or three agree on something..."
Paul doesn't encourage people to speak a foreign language/ He didn't do it himself.
A church where tongues are interpreted is an oxymoron. I told you i'm a grown man.
A church where tongues are interpreted should also have the dead being raised/ healing of deadly diseases like cancer and AIDS/ prophesy/ other miracles. For it is the same spirit that is well capable of doing and distributing all these things within a congregation. It is not possible that the spirit ceases in some and excels in only tongues- i know the reason tongues excel, they are the easiest to fake.
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Paul never taught of a heavenly or angelic language. 1 Corinthians 13 opens with Paul speaking hyperbole to make a point, that point being the meaninglessness of everything and anything in the absence of love. To say otherwise, one would also have to believe (and claim) that we can know all mysteries and have all knowledge .. we can remove mountains .. literally ... and even surrender our bodies to be burned ... all of which would profit us nothing ... without love. I don't see any lineups in wait for the latter.
1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.
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i agree Paul never taught it. Paul would have never taught anything that Jesus and the 12 never taught. but there are many that think he did, so if he is teaching this new angel language doctrine, where else is it in scripture, its not there and this is an easy way to see how Pauls teachings can be misunderstood.
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1Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Cor 12:29,30 Are all Apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Cor 14:4,5 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth that he that speaketh in unknown tongues, except he interpret , that the church receive edifing.
1Cor 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.
1Cor 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire the Spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Cor14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues.
1Cor14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
If you know your gift or gifts, exercise them, to gain fluency to the profit of those around you. If you do not know what your gift of the Spirit is, then draw near to the Lord who is found within the scriptures by the ministry of the Holy Spirit toward the faithful. Once you have become fluent with your gift(s) of the Spirit; then pray for guidance and ask in faith for one of the best gifts for an even greater ministry to those who cross your path.
1Cor 12:29,30 Are all Apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
1Cor 14:4,5 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth that he that speaketh in unknown tongues, except he interpret , that the church receive edifing.
1Cor 12:31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet show I unto you a more excellent way.
1Cor 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire the Spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Cor14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak in tongues.
1Cor14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
If you know your gift or gifts, exercise them, to gain fluency to the profit of those around you. If you do not know what your gift of the Spirit is, then draw near to the Lord who is found within the scriptures by the ministry of the Holy Spirit toward the faithful. Once you have become fluent with your gift(s) of the Spirit; then pray for guidance and ask in faith for one of the best gifts for an even greater ministry to those who cross your path.
I have to conclude that you cannot understand the words on the page.
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Cherry picking verses because you already have false conclusion.
The summary of the whole chapter is- don't speak things that are not understandable to yourself or other people, unless an understanding is sought for, shut up.
1 Cor 14:5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,b but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,c unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
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6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
Here Paul clearly says the tongue can not be meaningless. But you are insisting on meaninglessness.
10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me.
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15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying?
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18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all,25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”
This is very clear, it was even prophesied (v21). Do not speak meaningless words whether for yourself or for the congregation.
The summary of the whole chapter is- don't speak things that are not understandable to yourself or other people, unless an understanding is sought for, shut up.
1 Cor 14:5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,b but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,c unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.
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6Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
Here Paul clearly says the tongue can not be meaningless. But you are insisting on meaninglessness.
10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a foreigner to me.
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15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my understanding; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding.16Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,d say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying?
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18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
20Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
“With other tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,
22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all,25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”
This is very clear, it was even prophesied (v21). Do not speak meaningless words whether for yourself or for the congregation.
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