Why so much confusion about salvation?
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This statement here is an oxymoron and it is a typical church quote. They all start on the right path by saying you cant do nothing and Christ paid it all. But then here comes the work part YOU have to accept him or better said his free gift, YOU have to ask Christ to come in your heart....etc it's all about what YOU have to do. Read Ezk 34:11-31 and ask yourself where is the I/YOU part.
Obey.
That's our part.
Those who don't obey the Gospel, with suffer the vengeance of the Lord in the everlasting fires of hell.
- in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
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Who is going to obey the Gospel when not a single person will obey. When we do obey it was due to the fact that Christ saved us and then we will obey and do good works, not before albeit many will try on their own.
Now the verse you quoted has everything to do with the unsaved and vs. 10 has to do with the true believers those who have become saved.
Now the verse you quoted has everything to do with the unsaved and vs. 10 has to do with the true believers those who have become saved.
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Exactly, those that have truly become saved will obey the Gospel, but up till then not a single person will obey.
Obeying in what the Bible says would be a righteous work.
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
The Gospel is the whole Bible.
Obeying in what the Bible says would be a righteous work.
Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
The Gospel is the whole Bible.
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I think most believers can share this event of changing after we are saved, it makes sense, we can not view sin as god views sin until we are saved, we do not stop sin first.
The repent jesus preached and john the baptist and others is not about every sin we do, but about our view about self, God, eternity, and the barrier between us. Its when we admit, ok God, i am guilty, I have no hope, i must come to you and ask for mercy because i have nothing to give, like the tac collector who emptied himself and in total humility dropped to his knees.
If we still have pride left, we have not repented, we are still trying to save ourselves or think we do not need saved
The repent jesus preached and john the baptist and others is not about every sin we do, but about our view about self, God, eternity, and the barrier between us. Its when we admit, ok God, i am guilty, I have no hope, i must come to you and ask for mercy because i have nothing to give, like the tac collector who emptied himself and in total humility dropped to his knees.
If we still have pride left, we have not repented, we are still trying to save ourselves or think we do not need saved
You are right in saying that Jesus is our only salvation. The idea that I’m trying to convey is that when one says nothing you can do that would be a true statement. But then they contradict themselves and say you have to accept Christ, you have to be water baptized, you have to make a profession of faith....etc and yet each one of these phrases can be found in the Bible to make it Biblically sound. They cling on to these ideas without checking themselves out with what the whole Bible has to say. Read Ezk. 34 and see whose will is involved and also look at Jn. 1:13 and tell me whose will is involved.
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
What a person has to do is confess Jesus Christ as Lord and believe in his heart that God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9).
What a person has to do, once they hear the gospel, is choose to believe it. When they choose to do so, they are sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13-14). People hear the gospel when others speak/preach it. After that, it's up to each person to believe it, or not.
God does not determine who will choose to believe. He want's ALL men to do so (1 Tim 2:4).
So why don't they?
God gave us free will. The ability to CHOOSE.
What a person has to do, once they hear the gospel, is choose to believe it. When they choose to do so, they are sealed with the gift of the Holy Spirit (Eph 1:13-14). People hear the gospel when others speak/preach it. After that, it's up to each person to believe it, or not.
God does not determine who will choose to believe. He want's ALL men to do so (1 Tim 2:4).
So why don't they?
God gave us free will. The ability to CHOOSE.
Please be more specific regarding Eze 34.
But concerning John 1:
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
People who choose to believe on the name of Christ are born again. The new birth is not of bloods (by human doings), but of God.
The verse is not saying that God determines who will become saved.
But concerning John 1:
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
People who choose to believe on the name of Christ are born again. The new birth is not of bloods (by human doings), but of God.
The verse is not saying that God determines who will become saved.