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You were asked to explain, not post scripture out of context and still not make the point asked for. "can you explain how this works, how exactly is the prayer language prayer different than praying in your own language? "
Especially when you RedX'd , disgreed, with a post that actually did explain what Tongues is.
You're into the unintelligable mutterings that people claim are tongues, right? But actual language, as the bible talks about being tongues in scripture is not true? That's what your
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Remember the tower of Babel in Genesis 11? Everyone spoke the same language. Then God confused the language of the earth and scattered the people across the earth. Because the tower and an act of defiance against God.
Generations later in order to bring the message of the cross to the scattered people it makes sense God's healing spirit would then bring the many languages to those Jesus appointed to go forth and teach the Gospel.
Especially when you RedX'd , disgreed, with a post that actually did explain what Tongues is.
You're into the unintelligable mutterings that people claim are tongues, right? But actual language, as the bible talks about being tongues in scripture is not true? That's what your
Remember the tower of Babel in Genesis 11? Everyone spoke the same language. Then God confused the language of the earth and scattered the people across the earth. Because the tower and an act of defiance against God.
Generations later in order to bring the message of the cross to the scattered people it makes sense God's healing spirit would then bring the many languages to those Jesus appointed to go forth and teach the Gospel.
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Praying with our new born again spirit that will be raised up on the last day and praying with my own new understanding is how we make our request known to Him. Emanuel singing with us .
The word unknow was added. The tongues another language other than the Hebrew is not unknown to the speaker . That would be more like clashing kettles and banging sound that have no meaning. When we pray the spirit that lives in us helps us he does not give us thoughts without meaning . How would that bring glory to God...... The no gospel
The word unknow was added. The tongues another language other than the Hebrew is not unknown to the speaker . That would be more like clashing kettles and banging sound that have no meaning. When we pray the spirit that lives in us helps us he does not give us thoughts without meaning . How would that bring glory to God...... The no gospel
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these scriptures dont really answer the question.
praying in the "spirit" can apply to any believer speaking in their common language.
if one is praying in an unknown language, and it serves no purpose other than to tell others you are praying in an unknown language, then what exactly is the point?
praying in the "spirit" can apply to any believer speaking in their common language.
if one is praying in an unknown language, and it serves no purpose other than to tell others you are praying in an unknown language, then what exactly is the point?
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Great point!
Paul warned if no one is there to translate the language someone is speaking that it is best to not speak. See verse 28.
King James Version of the bible is public domain and can be copied & pasted freely.
1 Corinthians 14
14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
Paul warned if no one is there to translate the language someone is speaking that it is best to not speak. See verse 28.
King James Version of the bible is public domain and can be copied & pasted freely.
1 Corinthians 14
14 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?
7 And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?
9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain
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i agree and will add one more point. Jesus is our perfect example, do we have an example of Jesus speaking in this angel language, the answer would be no. better yet, outside of Paul there is not one example in the bible of this. didnt Jesus, Paul and the Father teach us to let facts be established by three witnesses. with only the one witness to this angel language i would bet that the whole tongue concept is a misunderstanding of Paul. the Apostles, the ones personally trained by the living Jesus, even said Paul can be easily misunderstood.
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I tried to find the fake Gino Jennings tongues video but couldn't. I did find the sermon where he said God made Hell to get even with man.
I don't know who that first woman is. But the second pastor is Robert Tilton. He was exposed back in 1991 in a Prime Time Diane Sawyer special as a fraud. Boy did he take the hit on that one. I think he's on his 5th wife now. They even showed the prayer requests people sent Tilton. He'd tossed them in a dumpster. Talk about living like a king!
False teachers. They are going to be so surprised when they're dead. They won't be able to hide from God behind that earthly mansion door or armed security. They won't be able to drive away in that custom expensive car. Just them, their history in his name, and judgment.
False teachers. They are going to be so surprised when they're dead. They won't be able to hide from God behind that earthly mansion door or armed security. They won't be able to drive away in that custom expensive car. Just them, their history in his name, and judgment.
Right. It was not possible to speak in tongues before the gift of the Holy Spirit was first given on the day of Pentecost.
What about the 12 apostles on the day of Pentecost?
What about Cornelius and his family with Peter in Acts 10?
What about the entire Corinthian church?
So now you don't believe what Paul wrote in the Bible is God-breathed?
Peter said that, not "the Apostles". And because some of the things Paul said are difficult to understand, does that make them false?
What about the 12 apostles on the day of Pentecost?
What about Cornelius and his family with Peter in Acts 10?
What about the entire Corinthian church?
So now you don't believe what Paul wrote in the Bible is God-breathed?
Peter said that, not "the Apostles". And because some of the things Paul said are difficult to understand, does that make them false?
You are to be commended for self-identifying you and your cohorts in that way.
People of Christ, what would happen if we who are actually reading the bible were to talk among ourselves and share the positive and eternal saving grace that is God's word? While not being led to respond to those that misrepresent it just to watch us try to change their mind .
People of Christ, what would happen if we who are actually reading the bible were to talk among ourselves and share the positive and eternal saving grace that is God's word? While not being led to respond to those that misrepresent it just to watch us try to change their mind .
Tongues is not for missionary work. It is not for teaching the gospel.
Tongues is never gibberish. Some languages might sound like gibberish to us, that does not mean they are gibberish.
That's not true. Tongues could be a current language, a former ("dead") language, or a language of angels.
Yes, the video is good. Interestingly, it does not support some of the claims you have made about what you think tongues is.
Tongues is never gibberish. Some languages might sound like gibberish to us, that does not mean they are gibberish.
That's not true. Tongues could be a current language, a former ("dead") language, or a language of angels.
Yes, the video is good. Interestingly, it does not support some of the claims you have made about what you think tongues is.
Well, those who received the holy spirits gift of tongues were not in the temple. Because the temple elders were about killing Jesus. So they'd certainly never permit the followers of Jesus to gather in the temple where the plot to kill Jesus was hatched.
Besides the fact there is no scripture that says this happened in the temple. And that's why.
Besides the fact there is no scripture that says this happened in the temple. And that's why.
The language a person speaks when he speaks in tongues is most certainly not understood by him.
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
When Christians speak in tongues and interpret in the church, it is a sign to unbelievers.
You completely avoided my initial point, garee. You claimed tongues is "God speaking". It isn't. It is people speaking TO God.
Also, tongues is not prophesy.
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
When Christians speak in tongues and interpret in the church, it is a sign to unbelievers.
You completely avoided my initial point, garee. You claimed tongues is "God speaking". It isn't. It is people speaking TO God.
Also, tongues is not prophesy.
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the Lord doesnt change
they spoke in different languages
no mention of an angel language
what scripture?
he is a great teacher however i do not view him as a stand alone, Jesus is a stand alone. if Paul says something Jesus did not teach i am skeptical.
never said they were false i said exactly what Peter said (who was an Apostle of Jesus) that his teachings can be misunderstood.
they spoke in different languages
no mention of an angel language
what scripture?
he is a great teacher however i do not view him as a stand alone, Jesus is a stand alone. if Paul says something Jesus did not teach i am skeptical.
never said they were false i said exactly what Peter said (who was an Apostle of Jesus) that his teachings can be misunderstood.
Yes, the language is still available .A very valuable and precious gift for doing His Will. "Pray this manner "Our father who art in heaven hallowed be the name authority give us today the daily bread of your will" .
He who made the ear understands all the languages of the world, no private dialect that the person uses as some sort of secret code that is witness a person has the Holy Spirit. Just believe his world that should be enough evidence He has spoken
He who made the ear understands all the languages of the world, no private dialect that the person uses as some sort of secret code that is witness a person has the Holy Spirit. Just believe his world that should be enough evidence He has spoken