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Jeremiah74
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If anyone can show me in scripture where God says its OK for me to worship him anyway I want to then I can accept that Easter is OK.
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No, IFand as long as gentiles/christians keep themselves APART from Israel nothing applies to them...and it shows in the way they don't keep God's Commandments. IN CHRIST we are supposed to be ALL ONE, neither Jew nor gentile......Gal 3v28,29., yet christians are constantly drawing a line between themselves and others(Israel) who were God's people long before them and themselves are not even close to Eph 2.
Christians NEED to change !!!
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Jeremiah74
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I would very much like to know where it says Gods people are no longer under the authority of Moses.
There are NO scriptures to tell us to celebrate christian holidays....they are entirely Human traditions intermingled with pagan practices. GOD wants us to worship Him in truth and spirit, in purity of heart and not a mixed polluted confused mish-mash as we have in christianity today following the many false christs. Yashua WARNED US !!! Mat 24..
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Jeremiah74
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I used to think Paul was talking about the Torah, But after much research I see that Paul is referring to the Oral Law(Talmud).
In John 1:1 If Jesus is the word What word is he referring to? NT did not exist He is the Living Torah
How about you show us where gentiles were ever under the authority of Moses
Jesus is the Word of God- which is the exact same in the old testament, the new testament, and beyond the existence of the world. God's law will never change, but how we obey it does. You could not murder in the old testament, and you cannot murder in the new testament. However, since we are under the authority of Christ instead of Moses we must obey this law spiritually- which means if you hate your brother you are already guilty of murder whether you carry it out physically or not.
Who is talking about JEWISH days ? how did you arrive at Thursday ? now please, it is not from the Jews we get sunday resurrection but from the RC church in Rome.
Since Yashua was buried BEFORE sunset on preparation day then 3 days and 3 nights later (72 hours) would also take you to a time BEFORE sunset which can ONLY be Sabbath...seeing He was alredy risen by sunday morning.
Go to the thread a few months ago when it was all discussed in great detail, thank you.
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Jeremiah74
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Gods Torah(Instructions) was given to Israel, As Paul says we are neither Jew Nor Gentile but Israel.
Not Jew.
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Jeremiah74
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Jeremiah 10 1-5
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
This is not necessarily talking about the Christmas tree specifically
But Whats the difference?
1Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
5They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
This is not necessarily talking about the Christmas tree specifically
But Whats the difference?
Does it honor a person to place his birthday on an ancient pagan High Day that he wasn't born on?
How many times did the Apostles or Jesus or the Law and Prophets mention, observe, or foretell of, what is now the Greatest Religious High Day on the planet?
I do find it fascinating that "many" who come in Christ's name teach that because they don't believe there is a direct commandment from Jesus in the New Testament regarding HIS Sabbath that He created for man, they are free to observe the Catholic Sabbath and reject God's. But there is nothing even remotely suggesting, in the entire Bible, that we should create and observe man made "Feasts unto the Lord". In Fact there are commandments which tell us not to do such things. Yet, Mainstream Christianity observes, promotes and teaches several man made religious High Days and ridicule anyone who would point out this fact.
I'm not saying anything other than how is it we can disobey a direct Commandment of God because many believe God isn't clear on the Commandments, yet observe man made High Days which neither God, nor His Spokesmen in the Old or New Testament instructed His people to do?
If the Word which became Flesh is supposed to be our guide, should we not be careful not to mix man made religious traditions of the Land with His Holy, Perfect, Just and Good Word of God?
Seems like a very relevant question.
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Jeremiah74
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Exodus 31:12-18
And The LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
13“And you, speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, The LORD, am setting you apart.
14‘And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people.
15‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to The LORD. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death.
16‘And the children of Israel shall guard the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant.
17‘Between Me and the children of Israel it is a sign forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
18And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, written with the finger of Elohim.
I notice things like everlasting, forever, throughout you generations NOT until my son comes and then we are going to change everything to Sunday, Christmas, and easter.
Did God the creator of the universe lie?
And The LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
13“And you, speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘My Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, to know that I, The LORD, am setting you apart.
14‘And you shall guard the Sabbath, for it is set-apart to you. Everyone who profanes it shall certainly be put to death, for anyone who does work on it, that being shall be cut off from among his people.
15‘Six days work is done, and on the seventh is a Sabbath of rest, set-apart to The LORD. Everyone doing work on the Sabbath day shall certainly be put to death.
16‘And the children of Israel shall guard the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant.
17‘Between Me and the children of Israel it is a sign forever. For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
18And when He had ended speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Mosheh two tablets of the Witness, tablets of stone, written with the finger of Elohim.
I notice things like everlasting, forever, throughout you generations NOT until my son comes and then we are going to change everything to Sunday, Christmas, and easter.
Did God the creator of the universe lie?
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joefizz
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Well one of the definitions of holiday is-exemption from burdens,and as we know "sabbaths" and "holidays" otherwise known as "Holy days" are partly made "for us" and not for only "Glorifying God" or praise.
And since we are in Christ we through him are given a way to determine our sabbath for he is Lord of the sabbath,and the "day" is of "no consequence" especially concerning "honoring" God/Jesus but concerning having a day set aside for "honoring him" is "dishonorable" if you keep "no day"concerning this.
So really we "are" to honor God on a day and we are "allowed" to have a different sabbath day than the ones like Sunday and Saturday for the purpose of "rest" or "honoring God/Jesus" or "both" but of course one must keep in mind "honesty".
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joefizz
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Yes we shouldn't conform to the world or mix things of God with things of the world,though well we are still "in the world" so somethings are "out of our control" though somethings we can control,like "how" a form of celebration is held for instance say if Jesus is taken out of an Easter day,then it wouldn't be "honoring God/Jesus" anymore and so neither a holy day or sabbath but a "day for man made ideas" instead.
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joefizz
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Of course no bible use would be "foolish" too,or worse yet turning a sabbath/holy day into "an excuse for willful sin".
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joefizz
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Define "any way you want" that would be "debatable" because you first would have to know what is "right with God/Jesus" like "humbleness" "sincerity" "blessings out from one's mouth" "Glory to him" on such a day,and what God/Jesus is "opposed to" like "becoming a drunkard""willfully lieing" "prideful look" "gluttony" "greed" or "cursings out from one's mouth"on such a day".
There are however things you can "choose to do" at your own liberty like "how you pray" like on the ground,hands clasped,in silence between you and God/Jesus,out loud,or how you praise like with or without instruments,singing or not,shouting to heaven your appreciation to God/Jesus,in tongues with others.(so long as there is an interpreter)
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Ugly
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This subject has been beaten to death over and over. Just another person pushing their subjective area of morality on others.
If you don't want to celebrate these holidays, fine, don't, but just because it's Your standard does not mean it is the right one for everybody.
I wish more Christians acknowledged that there's a difference between personal conviction and general sin and stop proclaiming their personal conviction is right for everyone.