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Galatians 4:9-11 "But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have laboured over you in vain."
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7seasrekeyed
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which pagan people?
you mention holidays in your op title, but then immediately divert to worship in your first op
what do you actually want to discuss? or perhaps you are making some kind of statement here?
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Jeremiah74
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When we read Paul's letter to the Galatians we have to ask ourselves. Who where the Galatians ? What was Paul addressing in this letter? Can we really take a sentence out of context and put our own meaning behind it? Its very clear in the previous verses they where worshiping false gods and Paul is asking them how are you turning back to them to be enslaved to them worshiping their holidays.
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Jeremiah74
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Don't We observe holidays as a form of worship or honoring what we believe in?
To the clean all things are clean. Paul had no problems with believers attending events in which meat was offered to idols. It all depends on the motive and conscience. If someone observes holidays that are patterned after pagan holidays with a conscience towards GOD rather than an idol, then there is no issue. It is people who have consciences towards an idol and weak faith that have to be concerned about such things.
If any of the unbelievers invites you, and you want to go, eat everything that is set before you, asking no questions for the sake of the conscience. But if someone says to you, “This is offered to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of that one who informed you and the conscience. Now I am not speaking about your own conscience, but the conscience of the other person. For why is my freedom judged by another’s conscience? If I partake with thankfulness, why am I slandered concerning that for which I give thanks? Therefore, whether you eat or you drink or whatever you do, do all things for the glory of God. 1 Corinthians 10:27-31
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Jeremiah74
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OK I'm going to make a bold statement, It is NOT my intent to offend anyone or imply anyone is a pagan. Just to get us to think about whats going on. Knowing the origins of Easter https://www.britannica.com/topic/Easter-holiday
How can we celibate Easter when it is clearly a pagan practice not seeing anything about eggs and bunny's in the Bible?
Isn't it a replay of the golden calf incident? They where not worshiping the calf. They where worshiping God with the calf.
"Aron said let us make a feast to the LORD" paraphrasing.
How can we celibate Easter when it is clearly a pagan practice not seeing anything about eggs and bunny's in the Bible?
Isn't it a replay of the golden calf incident? They where not worshiping the calf. They where worshiping God with the calf.
"Aron said let us make a feast to the LORD" paraphrasing.
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Jeremiah74
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Did Paul make all things clean? Is disobeying God his glory? That 1 Corinthians 10;27-31 is a confusing verse looking at it in the different Greek words. BTW I sure am enjoying conversing about the Bible. It is provoking me to search out some things. Thank you
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Notice the last half of the verse? Elements of what? Judaism? No, the world.
Gal 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are
no gods. Judaism knew God, but they did not recognize Christ when He came.
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again
to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
What were they returning to? Weak and beggarly elements of what?
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Who was Paul addressing here?
"Paul's letter is addressed "to the churches of Galatia" (Galatians 1:2), but the location of
these churches is a matter of debate. A minority of scholars have argued that the "Galatia"
is an ethnic reference to a Celtic people living in northern Asia Minor, but most agree that it
is a geographical reference to the Roman province in central Asia Minor, which had been settled by
immigrant Celts in the 270s BC and retained Gaulish features of culture and language in Paul's day."
anyway- Paul was not addressing Judah, he was addressing someone else.
Now read verse 10...
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
These are not Jews observing Judaism, these are those who are of the world in
Asia Minor observing the weak and beggarly elements of the world, not Judaism.
What does the bible say elsewhere about AN OBSERVER OF TIMES
Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards.
Its speaking of the occult. Not about following sabbath days.
DEUT.18:9-11 , 2 CHRON.33:3-6, GAL.4:8-11, LEV.19:26-30
LEV.19
[26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood:
neither shall ye use enchantment, (NOR OBSERVE TIMES).
[30] (YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS),
and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
-This verse Here it says: You shall not OBSERVE TIMES
BUT you shall keep MY SABBATHS says the Lord.
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7seasrekeyed
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you tell me
you are the one who jumped from holidays...not all are about worship...to worship
for the record, I am not offended, but it looks like you are heading down the road of saying 'Christian' holidays are not Christian
you can correct me if I am wrong
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7seasrekeyed
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reading further, I see I am right regarding your objective
just going to bow out because this is far from a new debate or discussion and I don't agree with you anyway
another thread, another time, but not this one
thanks
Should you perhaps have put/made DIFFERENCE between MAN's holidays and GOD's HOLY DAYS ?
It does not seem at all as if Humans automatically associate holidays with religious observances....rather the opposite when we think of pleasure and enjoyment. Soooo ....let's put difference between what is holy and what is not, it might clarify a lot. HOLY days are different from holidays !!!
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claysmithr
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Um yes please, I sure we can all agree that child sacrifice is a bad thing.
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Jeremiah74
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Jeremiah74
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For one thing they are not OFFICIAL holidays and can't be all that important seeing we have no BIRTHDAY for JESUS ! Look what happened to John the Baptist at a pagan birthday party. I personally make no FUSS over birthdays just as I don't over xmas and easter.....they are all polluted and perverted !
you also think you have to keep the Sabbath to be saved. your opinions are filtered through a keep the law perspective. your opinions are suspect.