Not By Works

[joefizz]

complete or prove is the same thing.

No they aren't...
Complete- refers to finishing,making an end to,done,forging entirely,no need for added things in general sense(like say a house it's possible to add things but a house once built doesn't need anymore to be "sturdy" and so it's complete)
Prove-refers to showing something to be true by way of evidence and use of already proven facts.

 

[joefizz]

The most dangerous part of talking to a MORMON, is they USE Christian Terms, but mean something totally different than we mean. One day I confronted two Mormon missionaries in my drive way, and the Holy Spirit gave me the answers to their FALSE STATEMENTS, including Book, Chapter and Verse. (I confronted them in my drive way, because I knew that it said in 2 John, that we were NOT to Invite them into our homes, because in doing so, we were participating in their EVIL.) That amazed even me, because I had almost NO bible memorized. After they made a False Statement, out of my mouth would come "BUT that contradicts what GOD said in . . ." and I would quote the appropriate scripture, accurately. Finally after about the fifth time that the Holy Spirit inspired, "BUT that contradicts what GOD said in . . ."; he stated, "But I do not see why that Matters, because, everyone knows the Bible is FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS." . . . ( SOUND FAMILIAR? ) . . .
I instantly came back, "Maybe your bible is, BUT MINE HAS NO CONTRADICTIONS AT ALL." As they kept on trying to proclaim their False Doctrine, I finally said, "You know there is only one thing wrong with believing what Joseph Smith taught, IF YOU DIE WHILE BELIEVING IT, YOU WILL CERTAINLY GO TO HELL."

OH MY, did that get a major REACTION out of them. One of them jumped on his bicycle and was out on the street waiting for his buddy to catch up. The other jumped on his bicycle and peddled around and around me, shouting, "I can't believe you are pronouncing us to Hell." He repeated that at least 4 times, while riding around and around me. It did not end there, they took off from my apartment and rode to the Post Office. They new I was a Mail Carrier, and they new my Post Master was a Mormon. They tried to get me FIRED, and John my Post Master, said he could not do that. BUT, he then Called the head Chaplain where my Volunteer Prison Ministry was, and TRIED to get the head Chaplain to FIRE ME. The next time I was due to go out to the Prison, the head Chaplain told me all about it, LAUGHING ALL THE TIME, and said, "Boy you sure know how to RILE UP two Mormon missionaries."

Yeah it happens,we use to have Jehovah's witnesses come to where I live,when I was doing yard sales,they'd give out a pamphlet and talk about God but not so much about Jesus.(course I kept talking about Jesus that might have run them off)

 

[TruthTalk]

So God prepares works for you to do and then puts some kind of implant in your head that makes you do these works or your head will eventually explode? Does God force men to do the works he has prepared for them? Does God force men to have EL with Him?

Nonsense pure nonsense, your fake stories are very boring and of course no scripture to back up what you say,
Fake stories about nothing.

 

[Seohce]

"OSAS, "FAITH ALONE",TITHINGS OF CHRISTIANS, PROSPERITY GOSPEL ARE FALSE DOCTRINES

Matthew 19 : 16-17
16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

Romans 6 : 16
16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey--whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

THE VERSES ABOVE CLEARLY SHOW THAT OBEDIENCE IS REQUIRED TO GET ETERNAL LIFE.

ACCORDING TO PAUL, OBEDIENCE LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH LEADS TO HOLINESS AND THE RESULT IS ETERNAL LIFE. (Romans 6:16-22)

Matthew 13 : 22
22 The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful.

THE RICH MAN WALKED AWAY SAD AFTER RECEIVING INSTRUCTIONS FROM OUR LORD JESUS BECAUSE HE CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM HIS OTHER MASTER WHICH IS HIS WEALTH.

Matthew 6 : 24
24 "No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

THE RICH MAN JUST LIKE JUDAS RECEIVED THE WORD (THE SEED) AND BELIEVED (HAD FAITH) IN JESUS BUT THEY WERE DECEIVED BECAUSE OF THEIR LOVE FOR MONEY (WEALTH). THEY WERE LIKE THOSE WHO RECEIVED THE SEED THAT FELL AMONG THE THORNS.

1 Timothy 6 : 9-10
9 People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction.
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

THESE TWO SITUATIONS DO SHOW H
OW THE CHRISTIANS IN THIS AGE OR GENERATION WILL WALK AWAY AND BETRAY OUR LORD JESUS.

Luke 12 : 15
15 Then he said to them, "Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

Hebrews 13 : 5
5 Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you."

1 Corinthians 5 : 11
11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

WHO THEN INTRODUCED THE COLLECTION AND GIVING OF TITHES?

AREN'T THEY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO TAUGHT FALSE MANMADE DOCTRINES SUCH AS "OSAS" AND "FAITH ALONE SAVES"?

Matthew 7 : 15-20
15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Matthew 24 : 10-13
10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.
12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
13 but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.

GREED IS SELFISHNESS BUT THE MESSAGE OF THE CROSS IS "SELFLESS LOVE".

NO GREEDY PERSON SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.

Galatians 6:7-10 DO NOT BE DECEIVED,:GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.

 

[dcontroversal]

justpassinthrough said:
ES/OSAS = Doctrine of Demons
JPT
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Wow just think about what Jesus said; "I give them eternal life."

"The perseverance of the saints reflects the Scripture’s teaching that salvation cannot be lost (John 5:27; John 10:28). Those who are among God’s elect will surely see eternal life." Quote by Charles Spurgeon

and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
John10:28

God bless!

Yeah I am done responding to deceivers that reject the verbiage, context, verb tense, the definition of words, the promises and power of Christ....they will find out when the make the plenteous in number grouping....

 

[dcontroversal]

Your doctrine of demons teaches that unbelievers are saved.

Christians who deny Christ and serve Allah or the antichrist are saved.


That sir is a doctrine of demons straight outta hell.



JPT

Now your just lying.....more proof who leads you...NOT GOD.....thanks for affirming to all your just a deceptive liar....

 

[dcontroversal]

Because none of us boast of our right to enter based upon our works, does that make you a truth teller or do you tell falsehoods.
Which is it decon.

Oh but you do boast of works....and I directed it at the many who boast...quit lying...it proves your not led of God

 

[dcontroversal]

Those who stand against the truths of the bible teach the following....

a. Saved to the uttermost means not saved at all
b. Sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise means not sealed
c. I will never leave the means he will leave thee
d. Nor forsake the means he will forsake thee
e. Eternal life means conditional and temporary
f. Everlasting life means conditional and temporary
g. In the Father's hand means not in the Father's hand
h. In Christ's hand means not in Christ's hand
i. Nothing shall separate us from the Love of God means something will separate us from the love of God
j. Kept by the power of God means God has no power and we are thrown under the bus
k. I give unto them eternal life means he gives us temporary life
l. Saved by faith means saved by self service and what we do
m. When I see the blood I will pass over you means God will not pass over cause the blood of Christ is ineffectual
n. Where sin abounds grace did much more abound means God's grace is weak and our sin is more powerful
o. Saved does not mean saved
p. Justified by faith/blood means rendered guilty and the blood is ineffectual
q. Sanctified eternally in Christ means NOT sanctified in Christ
r. Christ beginning a work of faith means He did not do it we did it
s. Jesus finishing a work of faith in us means he is weak and cannot finish it because we must finish it for him
t. Jesus completing the work of faith is us means we must complete it because Jesus is weak and ineffectual and cannot complete it
u. ETC

The above is exactly what ALL those who believe salvation can be lost or forfeit believe...regardless of their denial......end of story.

 

[VCO]

Yeah it happens,we use to have Jehovah's witnesses come to where I live,when I was doing yard sales,they'd give out a pamphlet and talk about God but not so much about Jesus.(course I kept talking about Jesus that might have run them off)

Yes, both Mormon and Jehovah Witnesses, are the biggest Psuedo Christian Cults we have around here too. Pretty much the same thing, both present a False Jesus Christ, and they want to Proselytize new Christians before they get Grounded in the WORD.

 

[MarkWilliams]

Yes, both Mormon and Jehovah Witnesses, are the biggest Psuedo Christian Cults we have around here too. Pretty much the same thing, both present a False Jesus Christ, and they want to Proselytize new Christians before they get Grounded in the WORD.

What about the Seventh Day Adventists, they had me going for a while saying the Sunday worship was not Biblical and all who worship on Sunday are not pleasing God.
That all sounded OK until I found out that they don't accept Jesus as a part of the Holy trinity, they believe Jesus was created at some point and that was enough for me to walk out

 

[VCO]

Your doctrine of demons teaches that unbelievers are saved.

Christians who deny Christ and serve Allah or the antichrist are saved.


That sir is a doctrine of demons straight outta hell.



JPT

So which is it, you didn't read the rules, or JUST PLAIN IGNORE THEM?

Say good night Gracie? Obviously You NO NOTHING about what we teach.

 

[justpassinthrough]

It is not mentioned of their "salvation" in exact terms in their "believing" but what is called into question is their "actions" telling of who stayed "true" to God's word and served "HONESTLY" and who only "accepted" God's word "when it suited them" regardless of "no mention" of salvation in the passage it is "clear" that those on "good ground" which in an honest and good heart,having heard the word,keep it,and bring forth fruit with patience...

Unfortunately for you, none of these things you mentioned, who stayed "true" to God's word and served "HONESTLY" and who only "accepted" God's word "when it suited them", but is mentioned is believe and be saved.


here read for yourself -

• lest they should believe and be saved.

12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13


These in the second group did in fact believe... for a while.

• who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

These in the second group met the qualifications set forth by the Lord Jesus, as they "believed".


Later when persecuted the chose to save their lives, and turned away from Christ.




JPT

 

[VCO]

What about the Seventh Day Adventists, they had me going for a while saying the Sunday worship was not Biblical and all who worship on Sunday are not pleasing God.
That all sounded OK until I found out that they don't accept Jesus as a part of the Holy trinity, they believe Jesus was created at some point and that was enough for me to walk out

No, they may be a border line PSUEDO CHRISTIAN CULT, but they have not crossed over that border, so they still are Christian. You are a victim of a RUMOR MILL, because they CERTAINLY believe in the the Holy Trinity:

Trinity - Adventists believe in one God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. While God is beyond human understanding, He has revealed Himself through Scripture and His Son, Jesus Christ.
https://www.thoughtco.com/seventh-d...7ab1e220-2fad-4307-bd0c-fe1411611d58-0-ab_mse

 

[justpassinthrough]

So which is it, you didn't read the rules, or JUST PLAIN IGNORE THEM?

Say good night Gracie? Obviously You NO NOTHING about what we teach.

I find this quite often from those who promote OSAS, they simply have no scriptural argument so they just attack with slanderous and rude comments, as if that will somehow change the truth of the scriptures.


For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 1 Corinthians 11:19



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

Now your just lying.....more proof who leads you...NOT GOD.....thanks for affirming to all your just a deceptive liar....

That is what you are promoting with your OSAS doctrine.


You are teaching a Born again Christian can turn away from Christ and confess Allah as Lord, and still be saved.


That is what you believe and teach.

Whether you realize it or not.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1



JPT

 

[joefizz]

What about the Seventh Day Adventists, they had me going for a while saying the Sunday worship was not Biblical and all who worship on Sunday are not pleasing God.
That all sounded OK until I found out that they don't accept Jesus as a part of the Holy trinity, they believe Jesus was created at some point and that was enough for me to walk out

Actually I just found out that the day keeping is of no consequence unless you don't keep any day,as paul pointed out.

 

[dcontroversal]

That is what you are promoting with your OSAS doctrine.


You are teaching a Born again Christian can turn away from Christ and confess Allah as Lord, and still be saved.


That is what you believe and teach.

Whether you realize it or not.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1



JPT

The above is a lie from hell....

 

[justpassinthrough]

The above is a lie from hell....

So then you are not teaching OSAS?

Because that is what the OSAS doctrine teaches: A born again Christian can never lose their salvation no matter what sins they commit... Because once a person is saved, they are always saved.



JPT

 

[dcontroversal]

So then you are not teaching OSAS?

Because that is what the OSAS doctrine teaches: A born again Christian can never lose their salvation no matter what sins they commit... Because once a person is saved, they are always saved.



JPT

Take it up with the moderators...I reported your slanderous lie.....which is rare thing for me to do....you owe me a public apology for spewing that lie bout Islam/Allah.......it is one thing to disagree and give each other heat.....it is another ball game all together to spew such a lie and NO MAN can call JESUS LORD except by the Spirit of God.....to say the following is not of God, nor something a believer would do....

You are teaching a Born again Christian can turn away from Christ and confess Allah as Lord, and still be saved.

 

[joefizz]

That is what you are promoting with your OSAS doctrine.


You are teaching a Born again Christian can turn away from Christ and confess Allah as Lord, and still be saved.


That is what you believe and teach.

Whether you realize it or not.


Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1



JPT

You desperately wanna be banned now because that was total "Drivel" and an"intentional flat out LIE" but then again "you already knew that".