The doctrine of election and reprobation
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Do you mean all mankind living in this earth are equal , God put human spirit to all of us when we were born ?.
If there are a, b , c, d. God chose a, b, to go with Him to heaven , and let c, d, roasted to the lof ? ( loved Jacob, hated Esau not caused by their deed ), right ?.
Yesterday a1, b1 went to heaven, c1 ,d1 shall be sent to the lof.
Today a2, b2 is going to heaven, c2, d2 shall be sent to the lof.
Tomorrow a3, b3 is going to go to heaven, c3, d3 shall be sent to the lof .
Then my question : How can this earth end ?. ( tomorrow surely a infinite time ).
Whenever there are still humans (adult , toddler , baby, even the conceived ) with spirit inside (God put that spirit when he or she was born /conceived ) this world will never end.
If there are a, b , c, d. God chose a, b, to go with Him to heaven , and let c, d, roasted to the lof ? ( loved Jacob, hated Esau not caused by their deed ), right ?.
Yesterday a1, b1 went to heaven, c1 ,d1 shall be sent to the lof.
Today a2, b2 is going to heaven, c2, d2 shall be sent to the lof.
Tomorrow a3, b3 is going to go to heaven, c3, d3 shall be sent to the lof .
Then my question : How can this earth end ?. ( tomorrow surely a infinite time ).
Whenever there are still humans (adult , toddler , baby, even the conceived ) with spirit inside (God put that spirit when he or she was born /conceived ) this world will never end.
Rom9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
not enough?
Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
Esau is born of flesh , the vessel of wrath who abide in him that the one who shall be thrown to the lof
do you really want to discuss ?.
If he is not counted for the seed ? what seed then ?
Rom9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
John17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine
John17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Do you see the difference : of the world ( born of flesh ), not of the world ( born of God) ?.
do you really want to discuss ?.
If he is not counted for the seed ? what seed then ?
Rom9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
John17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine
John17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Do you see the difference : of the world ( born of flesh ), not of the world ( born of God) ?.
you didn't read carefully , what i have conveyed .
read carefully please:
By the existence of these such Esau ( without spirit of man inside when he was born because God didn’t put any human spirit inside them ), so the devils /vessels of wrath are possible one day to abide within them so there are devil that transform to be the angels of light, there are antichrist all of them are known as the children of the wicked one Mat13:38-39 , and by their existence the devils surely shall be judged in the last day judgment there surely will be obtained the evidences for suing the devils , unless the devils shall never be able to be judged, unless the saveds / the winners /us will never be able to judge the angels/devils 1Cor6:3 , unless this temporary earth will never end.
The born of flesh merely as dust, they are equated as animals Ecc3:19 , surely will not come to the final judgment (GWT Rev20: 12 / this judgment for spiritually being only ) , the unclean spirit who abide in him who will be judged , born of flesh will surely finish when he or she change to be dust (only literal laws are valid to them ).
read carefully please:
By the existence of these such Esau ( without spirit of man inside when he was born because God didn’t put any human spirit inside them ), so the devils /vessels of wrath are possible one day to abide within them so there are devil that transform to be the angels of light, there are antichrist all of them are known as the children of the wicked one Mat13:38-39 , and by their existence the devils surely shall be judged in the last day judgment there surely will be obtained the evidences for suing the devils , unless the devils shall never be able to be judged, unless the saveds / the winners /us will never be able to judge the angels/devils 1Cor6:3 , unless this temporary earth will never end.
The born of flesh merely as dust, they are equated as animals Ecc3:19 , surely will not come to the final judgment (GWT Rev20: 12 / this judgment for spiritually being only ) , the unclean spirit who abide in him who will be judged , born of flesh will surely finish when he or she change to be dust (only literal laws are valid to them ).
What you have stated, is not (a) doctrine at all! Tis (a) Biblical TRUTH!
(and) From my understanding, it is one's mind that is reprobate. Not saying that the reprobate mind hasn't the ability to cause one's soul, heart, spirit, and flesh to become unacceptable (which is how reprobate is translated), because, it does! (and?) On the other hand, when one believes, and accepts Jesus Christ, as their Lord and Savior? This begins the "grafting into the true vine!" Or? The unacceptable in becoming acceptable. Each one, according to their faith. Like that "grain of mustard seed." It can be tended and grown even larger! To a certain point, even "churches of stone" help. (and?) In some instances, this is enough! While, in some instances, it is not! Whichever the instance may be? The "ball is in the believer's court!" For, it is not the "churches of stone's" mustard seed! It's yours!
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But that is the opposite of "the just shall live BY faith." You are saying the just shall live without and before faith. Look at the definition :
by
bī/Submit
preposition
1.
identifying the agent performing an action.
2.
indicating the means of achieving something.
"malaria can be controlled by attacking the parasite"
What you are really saying is that you were saved without having to believe in Christ.
by
bī/Submit
preposition
1.
identifying the agent performing an action.
2.
indicating the means of achieving something.
"malaria can be controlled by attacking the parasite"
What you are really saying is that you were saved without having to believe in Christ.
As for order of regeneration and belief, not sure what every mans definition of regeneration is but there needs to be some amount or sort of regeneration to occur before believing because we're all born blind and deaf and you can't see what you can't see or hear what you can't hear. So at the very least, you have to believe there is some regeneration of blind eyes and deaf ears.