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Please learn to do a word study before you run your mouth about people needing to do word studies.
The word deny, associated with Peter is a completely different word that in 2 Timothy 2:12
Jesus G2424 said G5346 unto him, G846 Verily G281 I say G3004 unto thee, G4671 That G3754 this G1722 G5026night, G3571 before G4250 the cock G220 crow, G5455 thou shalt deny G533 me G3165 thrice. G5151 Matthew 26:34
If G1487 we suffer, G5278 we shall G4821 also G2532 reign with G4821 him: if G1487 we deny G720 him, he also G2548 will deny G720 us: G2248 2 Timothy 2:12
This is the same word Jesus used in His warning in Matthew 10:33
But G1161 whosoever G3748 shall G302 deny G720 me G3165before G1715 men, G444 him G846 will I also G2504 deny G720before G1715 my G3450 Father G3962 which G3588 is in G1722heaven. G3772
You have just been schooled. Wake up and read the bible.
JPT
That's why He is called the Spirit of Grace.
28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29
That's why Paul says Grace teaches us -
11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, Titus 2:11-12
Saved by grace is another way of saying being born again: Born of the Spirit.
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. John 3:5-6
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dont mormans think Jesus isnt God?
or is that JWs?
im not familiar with morman beliefs honestly
or is that JWs?
im not familiar with morman beliefs honestly
My friend would give testimony and admonishing us about the false teaching of the Mormon Church at our Friday night Bible Study.
This was a long while ago but I can still remember as if it was today. benhur absolutely should make clear his Church affiliation otherwise how can we know what his Church's "Statement of Faith." really is? He leaves us a lot of unanswered questions which makes me believe he's trying to "Hide Something"
God bless
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They are spoon fed Mormonism as a child. Most of their family are Mormons brother sister etc, so that they become entrenched and brain washed into the whole false religious system, a pity those folks. My friends family "almost" disowned him for leaving Mormonism.
Read the Kingdom of the Cults by, Walter Martin, yes it is still in print, here is a sample of what he writes about Mormons.
These are active links that take you to these subjects from the Kingdom of the Cults, but you'll need to hover the link
and then click "Open Link" or maybe just click the link to access.
Mormonism by Walter Martin
Anachronisms and Contradictions
Corrections, Contradictions, and Errors
The Holy Spirit in Mormonism
The Mormon Doctrine of God
Plagiarisms - The King James Version
Scientific Evidence Against the Book of Mormon
The Truth About the god of the Mormons
Read the Kingdom of the Cults by, Walter Martin, yes it is still in print, here is a sample of what he writes about Mormons.
These are active links that take you to these subjects from the Kingdom of the Cults, but you'll need to hover the link
and then click "Open Link" or maybe just click the link to access.
Mormonism by Walter Martin
Anachronisms and Contradictions
Corrections, Contradictions, and Errors
The Holy Spirit in Mormonism
The Mormon Doctrine of God
Plagiarisms - The King James Version
Scientific Evidence Against the Book of Mormon
The Truth About the god of the Mormons
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You have the WRONG DEFINITION for OSAS. We are saved the MOMENT OF SAVING FAITH, before you can do any works. IT IS PERMANENT, and notice, it's NOT ETERNAL if you can loose it. ONLY THOSE who have a GENUINE conversion, (BORN AGAIN), are SAVED. The Holy Spirit, puts ETERNAL LIFE into our Human Spirit. IT CHANGES US, and their IS NO REVERSE. Those who appear to have REVERSED, only prove that NONE OF THEM WERE EVER TRULY BORN AGAIN. As the Human Spirit Matures, the mind in our spirit in our hearts, will become dominant over the MIND in BETWEEN OUR EARS. The Holy Spirit POURS GOD'S LOVE into our hearts. That LOVE is responsible for OUR acceptance of JESUS as LORD and MASTER, Our walk of Obedience, Our Brotherly LOVE, Our Good Works, Our LOVING DEVOTION TO HIM, Our Wanting to Help Others, ETC. EVERTHING good in me, comes from GOD's LOVE that is in my heart. GOD AND JESUS has a hold of my SALVATION FOREVER, and NOBODY, not even SELF can rip it away from them. THAT IS WHAT GENUINE OSAS and ETERNAL SECURITY actually is.
IF YOU DO NOT HAVE GOD'S LOVE IN YOUR HEART, then you have NEVER BEEN SAVED.
Romans 5:5-8 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For while we were still helpless, at the appointed moment, Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For rarely will someone die for a just person—though for a good person perhaps someone might even dare to die.
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
John 10:26-30 (HCSB)
26 But you don’t believe because you are not My sheep.
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
30 The Father and I are one.”
2 John 1:6 (HCSB)
6 And this is love: that we walk according to His commands. This is the command as you have heard it from the beginning: you must walk in love.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me {happens the moment of SALVATION, when the Holy Spirit pours GOD's LOVE into our hearts}, you will keep My commands.
2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.
1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers.
The one who does not love remains in death.
That is what GENUINE OSAS MEANS.
YOUR DEFINITION OF OSAS IS BASED ON A TOTAL LIE.
Pedal it elsewhere.
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Ecclesiastes 1:9 (HCSB)
9 What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun.
1Matthew 24:23-27 (HCSB)
23 “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Take note: I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 7:15-16 (HCSB)
15 “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Matthew 10:16 (HCSB)
16 “Look, I’m sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as serpents and as harmless as doves.
Acts 20:29-32 (HCSB)
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.
32 “And now I commit you to God and to the message of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you an inheritance among all who are sanctified.
2 John 1:9-11 (HCSB)
9 Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home, and don’t say, “Welcome,” to him;
11 for the one who says, “Welcome,” to him shares in his evil works.
9 What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done; there is nothing new under the sun.
1Matthew 24:23-27 (HCSB)
23 “If anyone tells you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Over here!’ do not believe it!
24 False messiahs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
25 Take note: I have told you in advance.
26 So if they tell you, ‘Look, He’s in the wilderness!’ don’t go out; ‘Look, He’s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matthew 7:15-16 (HCSB)
15 “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
16 You’ll recognize them by their fruit. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
Matthew 10:16 (HCSB)
16 “Look, I’m sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as serpents and as harmless as doves.
Acts 20:29-32 (HCSB)
29 I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 And men will rise up from your own number with deviant doctrines to lure the disciples into following them.
31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I did not stop warning each one of you with tears.
32 “And now I commit you to God and to the message of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give you an inheritance among all who are sanctified.
2 John 1:9-11 (HCSB)
9 Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home, and don’t say, “Welcome,” to him;
11 for the one who says, “Welcome,” to him shares in his evil works.
AHAHHAHAHA you should wake up and lay off the juice pal....no one who believes the satanic drivel you push schools anyone.....
arneomai: to deny, say no
Original Word: ἀρνέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: arneomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-neh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I deny, repudiate
Definition: (a) I deny (a statement), (b) I repudiate (a person, or belief
arneomai: to deny, say no
Original Word: ἀρνέομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: arneomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-neh'-om-ahee)
Short Definition: I deny, repudiate
Definition: (a) I deny (a statement), (b) I repudiate (a person, or belief
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These are all great verses, now VCO all you need to do is keep on asking benhur what his Church affiliation is. If he is not forthcoming and willing to be transparent then he must be "Hiding Something" I love the Church, I love the fellowship and worship and I am grateful for the friendships and bible studies we have had together. I have, and you have, and many others have, shared their Church affiliations including ministries with all of us.
2 John 1:9-11 (HCSB)
9 Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home, and don’t say, “Welcome,” to him;
11 for the one who says, “Welcome,” to him shares in his evil works.
2 John 1:9-11 (HCSB)
9 Anyone who does not remain in Christ’s teaching but goes beyond it, does not have God. The one who remains in that teaching, this one has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home, and don’t say, “Welcome,” to him;
11 for the one who says, “Welcome,” to him shares in his evil works.
Yes I agree. We are saved when we believe.
What none of you OSAS folks can explain or address in a rational manner is those who believe and are saved then no longer believe.
12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13
Jesus taught the condition that is to be met for a person to be saved, is to believe.
These folks in the next group did in fact believe, and by your own admission they were saved when they believed.
Later they no longer believed, but rather, these fell away.
They returned to unbelief, no longer meeting the simple condition Jesus gave us for being saved.
JPT
What none of you OSAS folks can explain or address in a rational manner is those who believe and are saved then no longer believe.
12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13
- lest they should believe and be saved.
Jesus taught the condition that is to be met for a person to be saved, is to believe.
These folks in the next group did in fact believe, and by your own admission they were saved when they believed.
Later they no longer believed, but rather, these fell away.
They returned to unbelief, no longer meeting the simple condition Jesus gave us for being saved.
JPT
justpassinthrough said:
ES/OSAS = Doctrine of Demons
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Wow just think about what Jesus said; "I give them eternal life."
"The perseverance of the saints reflects the Scripture’s teaching that salvation cannot be lost (John 5:27; John 10:28). Those who are among God’s elect will surely see eternal life." Quote by Charles Spurgeon
and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
John10:28
God bless!
ES/OSAS = Doctrine of Demons
JPT
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Wow just think about what Jesus said; "I give them eternal life."
"The perseverance of the saints reflects the Scripture’s teaching that salvation cannot be lost (John 5:27; John 10:28). Those who are among God’s elect will surely see eternal life." Quote by Charles Spurgeon
and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
John10:28
God bless!
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Here are those who will receive eternal life of the Day of Judgement -
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29
Only a doctrine of demons would teach that those who do evil will receive eternal life.
JPT
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. John 5:28-29
- those who have done good, to the resurrection of life
Only a doctrine of demons would teach that those who do evil will receive eternal life.
JPT
