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Have you ever read 1 Corinthians?
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
17) For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
37) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
17) For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
37) If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
39) Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
opening verse of chapter 12 1cor
"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. "
as you read on it says this in verse 31
"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. "
The NLT reads :
"31 So you should earnestly desire the most helpful gifts. "
Chapter 14 says
1cor 14:1
Kjv " Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1cor 14:39 "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. "
"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. "
as you read on it says this in verse 31
"But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way. "
The NLT reads :
"31 So you should earnestly desire the most helpful gifts. "
Chapter 14 says
1cor 14:1
Kjv " Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1cor 14:39 "Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. "
1 Cor 12:
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,a and to still another the interpretation of tongues.b 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
12Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.13For we were all baptized byc one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
15Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
When you are talking about gifts, don't limit yourself to speaking in tongues only, there should be as many healers/prophets/miracle workers/ interpreters as there are speakers in tongues- this is what we call a body. This body with different parts is what we don't see in churches today.
Speaking in tongues is not something that can be proven or disprove easily, so surely, this 'spirit' that has skewed distribution of gifts is to be doubted, for it has the body shapeless by over expressing one part (speaking in tongues) yet other parts are not there.
7Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,a and to still another the interpretation of tongues.b 11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
12Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ.13For we were all baptized byc one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
15Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
When you are talking about gifts, don't limit yourself to speaking in tongues only, there should be as many healers/prophets/miracle workers/ interpreters as there are speakers in tongues- this is what we call a body. This body with different parts is what we don't see in churches today.
Speaking in tongues is not something that can be proven or disprove easily, so surely, this 'spirit' that has skewed distribution of gifts is to be doubted, for it has the body shapeless by over expressing one part (speaking in tongues) yet other parts are not there.
A need is a need, you can't call it a bother. No one bothers to need. You can't say why bother to be hungry.
If you thought a prayer is when someone opens their mouth and making known their request by speaking, then the numb & deaf have no chance in God's kingdom, for they don't have the ability to speak or ask or 'pray' so to speak.
But if you say they can petition God in their mind/heart without pronouncing a word, then that is a need- exactly what i'm talking about.
If you thought a prayer is when someone opens their mouth and making known their request by speaking, then the numb & deaf have no chance in God's kingdom, for they don't have the ability to speak or ask or 'pray' so to speak.
But if you say they can petition God in their mind/heart without pronouncing a word, then that is a need- exactly what i'm talking about.
1 Cor 12:11All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines....
...18But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be.
It doesn't really matter what you desire- you are urged to desire but if your desire is not as per the will of God, it won't happen.
Isa 40:13Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, or who has given Him counsel?14Whom did He consult to enlighten Him, and who taught Him the paths of justice? Who imparted knowledge to Him and showed Him the way of understanding?…
Great scripture.
We are discussing the manifestation of the gift of the Holy Spirit.
According to who/what? Where is that in the Bible?
This is in the Bible:
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
God would like all Christians to speak in tongues, and prophesy. We are told to covet to prophesy. These are manifestations that any Christian can choose to do. We are told to always be praying in the spirit (Eph 6:18), and we know from 1 Cor 14:14-15 that praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues.
While every Christian has the ability to operate all of the manifestations, the manifestations of gifts of healings and miracles require revelation from God, they are not something we can do on a whim. Also, we cannot just demand God to give us a word of knowledge or a word of wisdom, but we can ask.
Of course we do.
Your conclusion is based on a false premise.
We are discussing the manifestation of the gift of the Holy Spirit.
According to who/what? Where is that in the Bible?
This is in the Bible:
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
God would like all Christians to speak in tongues, and prophesy. We are told to covet to prophesy. These are manifestations that any Christian can choose to do. We are told to always be praying in the spirit (Eph 6:18), and we know from 1 Cor 14:14-15 that praying in the spirit is speaking in tongues.
While every Christian has the ability to operate all of the manifestations, the manifestations of gifts of healings and miracles require revelation from God, they are not something we can do on a whim. Also, we cannot just demand God to give us a word of knowledge or a word of wisdom, but we can ask.
Of course we do.
Your conclusion is based on a false premise.
Still a gift is not asked/requested for, once it is requested it is no longer a gift.
and you did not answer my question
"so if a person prayed for a man or women who had died and they came back you would concider that raising the dead ? Please answer? "
First of all, when is a person considered dead?
a) Is it when life leaves the body
b) When death comes to the body
c) Both a & b
NB. The scriptures considers death and life as persons (life-God/Death-satan)
Now that life and death are not things that we can isolate and empirically prove their leaving or coming- it would be very difficult say that one has died within a short period of time.
secondly, if a person is prayed to and comes back to life, is it that:
a) life comes back to them
b) Death goes
c) both
Thirdly, scriptural, we are in harvest time, so technically there's no coming back from the harvest Rev 14:14-20
And my short answer to the question is- i will not believe it.
Tell me a story.
a) Is it when life leaves the body
b) When death comes to the body
c) Both a & b
NB. The scriptures considers death and life as persons (life-God/Death-satan)
Now that life and death are not things that we can isolate and empirically prove their leaving or coming- it would be very difficult say that one has died within a short period of time.
secondly, if a person is prayed to and comes back to life, is it that:
a) life comes back to them
b) Death goes
c) both
Thirdly, scriptural, we are in harvest time, so technically there's no coming back from the harvest Rev 14:14-20
And my short answer to the question is- i will not believe it.
Tell me a story.