The Divine Equation
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Iagree, they are not polar opposites.
1 says we are not saved by law
The other says those who are saved, do obey the law.
1 is talking about what does or does nto save us, the other is talking about what a saved person looks like.
As you said, no one has fulfilled the law. Even a child of God can not fulfill the requirements of the law. So no one could be saved because they obayed the law. That would be impossible
1 says we are not saved by law
The other says those who are saved, do obey the law.
1 is talking about what does or does nto save us, the other is talking about what a saved person looks like.
As you said, no one has fulfilled the law. Even a child of God can not fulfill the requirements of the law. So no one could be saved because they obayed the law. That would be impossible
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Greetings to all my precious brothers and sisters in Christ.
The subject I would like to bring some attention to is one that involves the makeup of truth. It is the easiest thing in the world to get the bible wrong and specifically to mis-understand Paul (even Peter attests to that fact). Why is that?
Well, the truth is like a wheel within wheel. It seems to be going in more than one direction at a time. It can only be understood by us humans as an equation with 2 polarities...like a magnet has (north and south) or the positive and negative poles of a battery. Even our planet (dear old Earth) has a magnetic polarity that stops us from burning up from solar flares. So likewise if we want to stay away from the fires of righteous judgment that burn up our own works (and reveal the lack of truth in us) we will need to provide balance and polarity to our understanding.
Every seeming nice sounding verse has another verse that sounds the opposite. Everything in the bible has both a "good" side and a "bad" side, but all this is beneficial for us to grow into the full knowledge of Christ. It is only as we take on ALL the verses....the blessings AND the cursings....and truly allow ourselves to be inspected and purged by the Holy Spirit will we be able to grow into the truth and the likeness of Christ. As the disciples asked when Jesus said that one of them would betray Him..."Lord, is it I?"
)Greetings to all my precious brothers and sisters in Christ.
The subject I would like to bring some attention to is one that involves the makeup of truth. It is the easiest thing in the world to get the bible wrong and specifically to mis-understand Paul (even Peter attests to that fact). Why is that?
Well, the truth is like a wheel within wheel. It seems to be going in more than one direction at a time. It can only be understood by us humans as an equation with 2 polarities...like a magnet has (north and south) or the positive and negative poles of a battery. Even our planet (dear old Earth) has a magnetic polarity that stops us from burning up from solar flares. So likewise if we want to stay away from the fires of righteous judgment that burn up our own works (and reveal the lack of truth in us) we will need to provide balance and polarity to our understanding.
Every seeming nice sounding verse has another verse that sounds the opposite. Everything in the bible has both a "good" side and a "bad" side, but all this is beneficial for us to grow into the full knowledge of Christ. It is only as we take on ALL the verses....the blessings AND the cursings....and truly allow ourselves to be inspected and purged by the Holy Spirit will we be able to grow into the truth and the likeness of Christ. As the disciples asked when Jesus said that one of them would betray Him..."Lord, is it I?"
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Really?......we must acknowledge that G-d has given us The Bible.... as a road map..... for us to get from this earthly physical life to His promised spiritual heavenly life.
Correlated with that He states...... that it is His desire that none of us are destroyed.
Do you really think it is fair of Him...... if your conclusion of His word is correct?
I see His message of guidance so simple as something..... a 10 year old can understand.
The odd thing to me is that I have seen Him cause me to stop murdering in my heart and thinking it's perfectly fine and normal. And I have seen Him bring down my pride so I don't get touchy, snippy and rude as I used to, always defending my "honor" and demanding my "rights."
And to see that He works to make me lawabiding in my inner man, my heart, makes me glad, makes me feel safe and secure in His hands.
The odd part is that before He began to make me lawabiding in spirit, I was miserable. Always miserable. Yet, to talk about how He makes us lawabiding in spirit always raises great controversy when it should cause great rejoicing instead. That's the odd part.
If God is always about making us more and more like our Lord, would we expect Him to be making us LESS lawabiding in spirit?
I've no idea if that has made sense to anyone but me.
And to see that He works to make me lawabiding in my inner man, my heart, makes me glad, makes me feel safe and secure in His hands.
The odd part is that before He began to make me lawabiding in spirit, I was miserable. Always miserable. Yet, to talk about how He makes us lawabiding in spirit always raises great controversy when it should cause great rejoicing instead. That's the odd part.
If God is always about making us more and more like our Lord, would we expect Him to be making us LESS lawabiding in spirit?
I've no idea if that has made sense to anyone but me.
Sowing has nothing to do with salvation???? Very far from the truth. We reap life by sowing to the Spirit...and we reap death by sowing to the flesh. Unless you think that there is such a thing as "death salvation."
I said it "sounds" like...not is. people judge superficially too often. And here again is a superficial assessment of what I'm saying.
I said it "sounds" like...not is. people judge superficially too often. And here again is a superficial assessment of what I'm saying.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
There are 2 main commandments...according to the 2 tablets of the 10 commandments...
1. to love God
2. to love others
So the purpose of the law is to get us to love.
So then love fulfills the law.
Rom. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
1. to love God
2. to love others
So the purpose of the law is to get us to love.
So then love fulfills the law.
Rom. 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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