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NoNameMcgee
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If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.And oh my gosh, what restfulness and peace! It can't possibly be described!
hahaha
And what God has called clean let no man call unclean.
HAHAHAH YEP.........and how many engagements did we have.....and the truth...You were OPEN to learning and instruction and willing to admit at some point you were wrong....You humbled yourself and GOD opened your eyes and lifted you up out of your error....
And oh my gosh, what restfulness and peace! It can't possibly be described!
I remember believing you were saved and could not figure out why you held the position you held..........and ALL glory will always go to God for opening our eyes.....
Are we having a love feast?
Breaking bread and eating together with glad and sincere hearts.
Breaking bread and eating together with glad and sincere hearts.
At least I didn't make your head explode like I did to EG's head...
3 Yet not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, even though he was a Greek. 4 This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves. 5 We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.
HAHAHAHHA yep...........he beat his head against the ground more than once HAHA
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NoNameMcgee
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man...ive looked at some of them old posts more than once
im grateful He showed me the truth
but before i would claim i was wrong
i accepted that.... i COULD be wrong
that wouldnt have happened without God using brothers and sisters to help me see that
i had read the bible more than once and was still studying
i prayed
i could say all the right words if someone asked me what the gospel was
and i think God sent me here to have me place all this supposed wisdom i had back at His feet
He showed me the good news
I already knew the law
then He gave me assurance
but what i was begging for every night i went to sleep and every time i picked up the bible.... and all day at work... was truth
i was willing to keep my sinless perfection doctrine... i still felt i was correct and id find proof for this that would finally settle any doubts i held
but i was praying for Him to let me see what He wanted me to see
boom
many rough months later enduring through that seeking Him honestly without adding what i WANTED the truth to be
He blesses me with the truth
a whole new set of eyes
and joy
peace
assurance
the whole time giving me bumps of encouragement and showing me my errors
One man was given his sight but it was not real clear. He stayed with Jesus while the others ran off. Then Jesus gave him clearer sight.
Jesus didn't need two tries to get it right. The story is for you.
Are you saying those who believe for a while, then fall away, and no longer believe, are still saved?
Jesus explained the condition for being saved in the previous verse; Believe
- lest they should believe and be saved.
12 Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13
These in the next group did in fact believe, according to Jesus.
- who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.
These folks believed are were saved... for a while.
If there is more to being saved, than to believe, then please share what that is, with the scriptures to validate your claim.
JPT
Numbers 18:19-24 Whatever is set aside from the holy offerings the Israelites present to the Lord I give to you and your sons and daughters as your regular share. IT IS AN COVENANT of salt before the Lord for both you and your offspring.” The Lord said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites. “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting. From now on the Israelites must not go near the Tent of Meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die. It is the Levites who are to do the work at the Tent of Meeting and bear the responsibility for offenses against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites. Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering
who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
Numbers 18:19-24 Whatever is set aside from the holy offerings the Israelites present to the Lord I give to you and your sons and daughters as your regular share. IT IS AN COVENANT of salt before the Lord for both you and your offspring.” The Lord said to Aaron, “You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites. “I give to the Levites all the tithes in Israel as their inheritance in return for the work they do while serving at the Tent of Meeting. From now on the Israelites must not go near the Tent of Meeting, or they will bear the consequences of their sin and will die. It is the Levites who are to do the work at the Tent of Meeting and bear the responsibility for offenses against it. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. They will receive no inheritance among the Israelites. Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the Lord. That is why I said concerning them: ‘They will have no inheritance among the Israelites.’”
ALMOST ALL IF NOT ALL OF THE PROTESTANTS AND OTHER CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS AROUND THE WORLD ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO TEACH OSAS AND THAT FAITH ALONE SAVES VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS, COLLECT AND TEACH THEIR MEMBERS TO GIVE TITHES ALTHOUGH IT IS CLEAR FROM THE VERSES ABOVE THE TRUTH ABOUT IT.
IF THE ISRAELITES WHO WERE GIVEN AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WILL REPENT AND BELIEVE IN JESUS, THEY WILL BE JUSTIFIED FOR SURE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY BREAK AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH GOD? WOULD THEY BE SAVED?
WHAT IF THEY UPHOLD IT, WOULD YOU CALL THEM WORKERS FOR SALVATION AND ALIENATED FROM JESUS?
ARE GENTILE CHRISTIANS REQUIRED TO GIVE TITHES OTHERWISE BE ROBBING GOD ACCDG TO THEIR PASTORS WHO TEACHES THEM THAT IT IS BY FAITH ALONE VOID OF ANY RIGHTEOUS WORKS THAT A MAN SHALL BE SAVED?
ACCORDING TO "OSASERS" AND "ALONERS", SALVATION IS THROUGH FAITH ALONE VOID OF ANY SORT OF RIGHTEOUS WORKS.
THEY CONDEMN AND INSULT THOSE BELIEVERS WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS YET CLEARLY TOLERATE EVERY VIOLAftTION OF GOD'S COMMANDS FOR THE BENEFIT OF PERSONAL GAINS..
Luke 12:15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”
1 Timothy 6:3-10 Love of Money If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
1 Timothy 6:3-10,17-19 Love of Money If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.
Romans 2:1-4 God’s Righteous Judgment You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
ALMOST ALL IF NOT ALL OF THE PROTESTANTS AND OTHER CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS AROUND THE WORLD ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO TEACH OSAS AND THAT FAITH ALONE SAVES VOID OF ANY SORT OF WORKS, COLLECT AND TEACH THEIR MEMBERS TO GIVE TITHES ALTHOUGH IT IS CLEAR FROM THE VERSES ABOVE THE TRUTH ABOUT IT.
IF THE ISRAELITES WHO WERE GIVEN AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WILL REPENT AND BELIEVE IN JESUS, THEY WILL BE JUSTIFIED FOR SURE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY BREAK AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH GOD? WOULD THEY BE SAVED?
WHAT IF THEY UPHOLD IT, WOULD YOU CALL THEM WORKERS FOR SALVATION AND ALIENATED FROM JESUS?
ARE GENTILE CHRISTIANS REQUIRED TO GIVE TITHES OTHERWISE BE ROBBING GOD ACCDG TO THEIR PASTORS WHO TEACHES THEM THAT IT IS BY FAITH ALONE VOID OF ANY RIGHTEOUS WORKS THAT A MAN SHALL BE SAVED?
ACCORDING TO "OSASERS" AND "ALONERS", SALVATION IS THROUGH FAITH ALONE VOID OF ANY SORT OF RIGHTEOUS WORKS.
THEY CONDEMN AND INSULT THOSE BELIEVERS WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS YET CLEARLY TOLERATE EVERY VIOLAftTION OF GOD'S COMMANDS FOR THE BENEFIT OF PERSONAL GAINS..
Luke 12:15 Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”
1 Timothy 6:3-10 Love of Money If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
1 Timothy 6:3-10,17-19 Love of Money If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.
Romans 2:1-4 God’s Righteous Judgment You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you toward repentance?
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
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NoNameMcgee
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he never once implied that
i never once implied that
dan never once implied that
ed never once implied that
and all of us have explained to you previously when you came to this ridiculous conclusion that we never even suggested anything like that
but i can see you dont care what we implied
given you have already been corrected regarding this topic now so many times
it is obvious where your intentions are
i dont think running from biblical truth while trying to create silly debates against your own your strawmen arguments is a good look for you JPT.... or anyone else who uses these shady tactics to push their man-man religion
maybe its all you know...
but God can show you a new way
men/women deserve hell
because they (we) have sinned
if you even sin once
you deserve hell (or the lake of fire)
because God is just
and He set just and perfect laws in place
so a perfect God will not let unjustice go unpunished
He is not like a man where is anger is fuled by pride and grudges
it is a righteous anger meant to bring justice where there is none
God is not only just and perfect though
He is loving (more so than any man/woman)
and forgiving (more so than any man/woman)
and shows mercy (more so than any man/woman)
He manifested Himself here in the flesh to provide a path to salvation
Jesus Christ
the only begotten son of God
the Word
God in the flesh
is our savior
He fulfilled all righteousness
so that whosoever believes in Him can be saved
and adopted as sons and daughters
we who are adopted by Him recieve not only eternal life
but a new heart
and a quickened spirit
and become filled with the Holy spirit
once we are His
we are sealed
and imputed with His perfect righteousness
but when this happens it isnt some silly thing
it is a transformation
we become new creatures
and we cannot turn from the truth
because we are His He now chastens us when we choose to be a useless member of the body to correct us
and
our spirit cries to us He is our Father
we had a heart that desired worldly things and now we have a heart that desires His will in our life
the new heart He provides
the quickened spirit
and the chastening
the blessings
and the encouragement
the trials
these things all work together for good to those who are His
He does not fail His children
and the children are not able to save themself
we are kept by His power
unto salvation through Him
the work He does in us does not make pretenders JP
it makes genuine belivers grow
your false doctrine not only ignore His promises which would imply He is a liar
your false doctrine also places salvation on mans shoulders
your false doctrine says God will not only lose some of His through going against His word
but His power is too weak to keep them either way
Ok so you agree that those who believe for a while are saved for a while.
Great. For a minute there, I thought you were promoting the false doctrine of OSAS.
JPT
Those who are born again through faith in Christ Jesus must obey Him as Lord.
3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3-4
People who claim to have eternal life, “know Him”, but don’t obey Him, are liars, and the truth is not in them.
JPT
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NoNameMcgee
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your goal is to pervert the gospel in a way that ignores the promises of God to His children
but you have never once provided a verse that backs up your head canon
You only have half of the equation though my brother in the Lord...we will all be judged by our works apart from grace. Works of righteousness and holiness prove the authenticity of faith over just some human belief that has no power. The angels won't submit to just anyone with a claim to authenticity and to authority in Christ. It has to be according to reality and power. So you will have to dig deeper into the process of salvation to get the whole picture.
Are you willing to do that? Everything in the bible must be balanced with what seems to be contradictions....and it is only as these seeming contradictions are held together that we may glimpse the divine equation that adds up to the truth.
peace