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Maybe I misquoted someone LOL... So many talking here. There ARE NO OTHER conditions to believe. I think we're on the same page 
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So if there are no other conditions to be saved, other that to believe, then these in this group were saved for a while, because they did in fact believe, then later, they no longer believed, thus no longer meeting the only condition for us to be saved.
13 But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:13
- who believe (and are saved) for a while
JPT
Now this I have to disagree with. Then Christ Himself states that He shall lose NONE that has been given Him... which NONE = 0... not 0 + 1.... Then that would contradict what Christ said, if in fact, a true believer in Christ could depart from the faith. It's impossible as Christ says Himself.
These are self profession Christians, in the church, participating and claiming Christ, but they have not accepted him in their heart. They have a head knowledge of Him, but no heart transplant that God gives us at the new birth. If in fact, even ONE saved person in Christ, could depart from the faith, then Christ would be a liar. Why do you think it states that many will cast our demons and do these miracles, but yet Christ says depart? Because He never "KNEW" them to begin with. They were never HIS.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
These are self profession Christians, in the church, participating and claiming Christ, but they have not accepted him in their heart. They have a head knowledge of Him, but no heart transplant that God gives us at the new birth. If in fact, even ONE saved person in Christ, could depart from the faith, then Christ would be a liar. Why do you think it states that many will cast our demons and do these miracles, but yet Christ says depart? Because He never "KNEW" them to begin with. They were never HIS.
Joh 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Joh 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Timothy 4:1
The question is:
Are you yourself, teaching God’s children that they can indeed depart from the faith, and still be saved?
JPT
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No faith... is unbelief.
We can deny Him in unbelief(no faith) He cannot deny his own self as the author and finisher of His own works of faith that he works in us . Remember he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases performs that which he appoints to us(imputed righteousness) He alone makes our hearts soft.
2 Timothy 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV) If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
We can deny Him in unbelief(no faith) He cannot deny his own self as the author and finisher of His own works of faith that he works in us . Remember he who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases performs that which he appoints to us(imputed righteousness) He alone makes our hearts soft.
2 Timothy 2:12-14 King James Version (KJV) If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
That's contradictory man... you cannot depart from the faith. If you can, then Christ is made a liar. He even went on to say:
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Not that He would only if we made ourselves so good and perfect and righteous. Or anything else. He says that He WILL do it. A saved person cannot get "unsaved" If this were possible, again, it would make Christ a liar, and two, it would make us more powerful than HIM. Impossible man! I explained it in the previous post.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Not that He would only if we made ourselves so good and perfect and righteous. Or anything else. He says that He WILL do it. A saved person cannot get "unsaved" If this were possible, again, it would make Christ a liar, and two, it would make us more powerful than HIM. Impossible man! I explained it in the previous post.
Now this I have to disagree with. Then Christ Himself states that He shall lose NONE that has been given Him... which NONE = 0... not 0 + 1.... Then that would contradict what Christ said, if in fact, a true believer in Christ could depart from the faith. It's impossible as Christ says Himself.
Which none? The none that are part of as many as the father has given to the Son. No one can snatch them from the fathers hand (will) He always finishes that which he does begin.
Which none? The none that are part of as many as the father has given to the Son. No one can snatch them from the fathers hand (will) He always finishes that which he does begin.
That's contradictory man... you cannot depart from the faith. If you can, then Christ is made a liar. He even went on to say:
He cannot(impossible) deny Himself
The liar has more to do with those who say they have not sinned but continue to fall short of the glory of God all the days of their lives.
The if's tell the story.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.1 John 1
He cannot(impossible) deny Himself
The liar has more to do with those who say they have not sinned but continue to fall short of the glory of God all the days of their lives.
The if's tell the story.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.1 John 1
You can easily believe the truths of the Gospel but not accept them in your heart. Like I believe there's a sale down the road that's giving away 100 bucks, but I don't accept it. I know that's a strange analogy to put here, but it's the same concept. The fact is, I can say, well, I believe it, but I don't have time for it. I don't wanna do it what it takes to go and get that 100 bucks. These will depart from the faith. They will depart from the truths that they know to be true, but just did nothing with them. They did not want to do anything with those truths. Our churches are full of this type of person. They have a head knowledge, not a heart knowledge; no heart transplant at the new birth. They knew in their mind what was TRUE, but they rejected it; thus never getting it in their hearts.
No, even the children of Israel that saw the miracles of God never BELIEVED. Only TWO believed and they made it to the promised land. If they believed, then they would of ALL went with Joshua and Caleb. The fact remains, is that they never truly believed in this God; they wanted their own, and they got what they wanted.
Obviously, it is impossible for those who were once enlightened (not saved), and have tasted of the heavenly gift(not saved), and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come(not saved), If they fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Obviously to the other group... better things accompany salvation, like real redemdemtion of one soul.(Saved) And not a kick start placing one in the garden of Eden before man violated one commandment, as in good luck .
Obviously to the other group... better things accompany salvation, like real redemdemtion of one soul.(Saved) And not a kick start placing one in the garden of Eden before man violated one commandment, as in good luck .